Author Topic: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.  (Read 5721 times)

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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
« Reply #27 on: Monday 27 March 17 00:41 BST (UK) »

William’s parents are Emily & William whereas Mary Ann’s are Emma & William and not knowing where Mary Ann was born there may well be two Williams, one with an Emma and the other with an Emily.

The birth of Mary Ann BROKER was registered 1879 at Ashburton. 
[Yes, NZBDM's online listing shows her mother as "Emma" but this is simply a diminutive of the name "Emily".  Have other records (to come) which shows she was known by both names.  ;) ]

Births also registered at Ashburton (parents : William and Emily)

BROKER :
 
1881- Helen (Ellen) Elizabeth
1883 - William
1883 - Arthur [died in infancy]
1885 - Rebecca
1888 - Maude Emily



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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
« Reply #28 on: Monday 27 March 17 01:01 BST (UK) »
BROKER / BROOKER :

The BROKER family of William and Emily arrived as assistant emigrants to Canterbury on the ship "Opawa" in 1877.   In the side column is a note that they are destined for Ashburton.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6FMW-JYF?mode=g&i=2&cc=1609792

BROKER
- William - 35 - carpenter - ex Sussex*
- Emily - 28
- Henry - 14
- Edwin (Edward ?) - 13
- Clara - 10
- John - 7
- Harriet - 7 months


[* "Sussex" is given as county.  Sometimes this mean "native place / place of origin" but can also refer to the last county in which they resided.    It seems though that the BROKERs hailed from Gloucestershire ? ]
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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
« Reply #29 on: Monday 27 March 17 01:07 BST (UK) »
UK Census  :

1871 -

Gloucestershire > East Dean > St. Johns

BROKER
- William - 38 - carpenter - no place of birth recorded
- Emily - wife - 25
- Henry - son - 6
- Edward - son - 4
- Clara - dau - 2     ... all others born Gloucestershire




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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
« Reply #30 on: Monday 27 March 17 01:25 BST (UK) »
BROKER - Baptisms

Cinderford - St. John the Evangelist Church - Forest of Dean (East Dean) - Gloucestershire

Clara BROOKER - bapt. 4 April 1869
d/o William (carpenter) and Emma - residence:  Cinderford


*  Edwin BROKER - bapt. 13 January 1867
s/o William (carpenter) and Emma - of Cinderford


*  Henry BROKER - also bapt. 13 January 1867
s/o William and Emma (details as above)

*  John BROOKER - bapt. 2 July 1871
s/o William and Emma (details as above)

*  Harriet BROOKER - bapt. 24 December 1876
d/o William and Emma (details as above)


[Note:  Mother is  shown as "Emma" in all of these baptisms.  ;) ]

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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
« Reply #31 on: Monday 27 March 17 01:31 BST (UK) »
Do you already have the maiden name of "Emily" /  "Emma" ??
This looks to be the marriage ?

Parish Church of Newland > Gloucestershire > ENG
27 December 1863

William BROOKER - 25 - bachelor - Labourer - of Redbrook
-- Father: John BROOKER - Labourer

Emma POWELL - 19 - spinster - of Redbrook
-- Father :  John POWELL - Labourer

..... bride and groom both signed "X" (their mark)

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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
« Reply #32 on: Monday 27 March 17 01:53 BST (UK) »
OBIT - William BROKER (senior) :

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AG19110722.2.18

He is buried at Ashburton Cemetery.

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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
« Reply #34 on: Monday 27 March 17 02:01 BST (UK) »
Link to Ashburton Cemetery :

http://infoservices.adc.govt.nz/Cemeteries/

Burials for BROKER

- William (senior) - 1911

- Edward (?) - 1925

- Clara - 1885 - aged 15

- John (?) - 1960 - aged 89

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Re: This branch of the RIDLER family has me confused.
« Reply #35 on: Monday 27 March 17 02:07 BST (UK) »
Lu,
Thank you for more to print out, sort out & add to the file. There was a death notice for Ethel in the Ashburton Guardian 8 Feb 1916, = "..at the residence of her Uncle, W. Brooker, Hastings, Ethel Brooker, late of Hugh Street, Hampstead; aged 17 years." but haven't found one in that paper for Harriet.   See on your 1871 census that Henry, was an older brother of William, 17 years if my maths are correct this time! 
 Also another snippet from Ashburton Guardian 11 Nov 1903, = "I will not be answerable for any debts contracted by my wife, Emliy Brooker, from this date.-William Brooker November 7th 1893"
From memory after William died in 1911 Emily married a Mr Ede, but she appears to be in the same grave at Ashburton as William and children Arthur & Clara, who died 1884 age 15.  Will go back and check the remarriage and other snippets found in Paperspast, but ignored until now.
As I was replying to you, two more messages arrived. So far only had the BDM Marriage, Dec 1863 Monmouth 11a 54= Brooker William, Powell Emma as a maybe, but your research confirms that and
also that Emily & Emma are one and the same.
Is there any way to work out where Mary Ann BROKER and John PHIPPS were married, 16 Sept 1901/3098, without buying the print out?
Thanks
HeatherR
and a 3rd with more details from Ashburton cemetery.
Thanks again.

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