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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 09 March 17 21:25 GMT (UK) »
You can even find precise statistics for Willard Parker Hospital's 1920 caseload online:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1320416/?page=5

1920 stats:

Scarlet Fever: 614 admissions, 75 deaths (12.0%)
Diphtheria: 1978 admissions, 308 deaths (15.7%)
Measles: 1006 admissions, 148 deaths (14.7%)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 09 March 17 21:46 GMT (UK) »
I have Ancestry (US) and I can't see the baptism for Edward that you are seeing. Can you tell me what you submitted to see this? Does it provide an image to view? I would love to see this.

As I was looking for this I found a death certificate for Edward Van Sicklen, Age 4/12, birth year: about 1916. Death date April 2, 1917, Place: Bronx, NY. I will be sending for this as I always questioned whether his birth date was correct. His mom told my mother that she had twins and one died. I wonder if my dad was a twin? Once I get the death certificate, it will tell me who that parents are. This child would have to have been born about Dec. 2, 1916. It is possible that it is someone else. And obviously, my dad lived. I wonder if there was a mixup of names/children? The Bronx is within blocks of the place in Manhattan where my grandmother was living.
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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 09 March 17 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Search this collection for Edward Van Sicklen - he should be first in the list of results:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61224
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 09 March 17 22:08 GMT (UK) »
Possibly of interest?

Merchant Seaman Identity Certificate no 223053 (date unclear - could be 1920)

William Henry Welsh, purser.

Born 24 May 1887 Manchester.

British national, British father.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 09 March 17 22:37 GMT (UK) »
For a possible Australian connection, have a look at this family:

1891: 116 Breck Rd, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool

Edward Welsh Head Mar 37 Tobacconist Lancashire Eccles
Antoinetta do Wife Mar 24 Lancs Manchester
Wm Henry do Son 2 Manchester [William Henry Welsh mmn Delungs, Sep qtr 1888 Chorlton]
Harold do Son 1 Liverpool [Harold Welsh mmn Bellungo, Dec qtr 1889 West Derby]
Edith Violet do Daur 1mo Liverpool


1901: 116 Breck Rd, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool

Edward W Welsh Head Mar 48 Tobacconist & confectioner Lancashire Eccles
Antonietta do Wife Mar 34 New South Wales
William H do Son 12 Manchester
Edith A do Daur 10 Liverpool [Edith Antonietta Welsh mmn Delungo, West Derby Jun qtr 1891]
Florence H do Daur 4 Liverpool [Florence Hilda Welsh mmn Dellings, West Derby Sep qtr 1896]
+ 1 female servant

1905: Birth reg of Doris Ida Welsh mmn Delungo, West Derby Sep qtr 1905.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 09 March 17 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

These could be birth certificate records for William Born 24 May 1887 Manchester that avm228 found they are for one and same person.

WELSH William Herbert T  Barton Irwell . Vol 8c p689  GRO

WELSHWilliam Herbert Turner    Stretford  Trafford  STR/38/87 local registrar

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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 09 March 17 22:50 GMT (UK) »
According to an online tree (usual caveats apply), Antonietta was born Cherubina Antonietta Maria Del Lungo in Florence, Italy, on 1 March 1867.

1877: Antonietta Del Lango, 10, aboard the Indus, London-Rockhampton
1883: Antoniette Dellungo marries Victor Sammartin (or San Martin), Sydney

By 1910 she was living as wife of Thomas Morgan Matthews in Perth, Western Australia and had a son, Clifford Gerald Matthews, by him in 1911. As Antonietta Welsh she married Thomas in Perth in 1917.

1950: Antonette Matthews dies in Perth.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 09 March 17 23:11 GMT (UK) »
From GRO
William Herbert Turner Welsh, no mother's maiden name
GRO Reference: 1887  June Quarter in Barton Upon Irwell Volume 08C  Page 689

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Re: Help...William H. Welsh, b.Manchester, lived Liverpool - my grandfather
« Reply #17 on: Friday 10 March 17 00:13 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much avm228!! I was able to access it via your link. It is not coming up on any searches on the US site. Are you in the UK? I was very excited to see it.  From what I can see he is age 4, which matches. Yes, I would also say he was baptised twice. At the time she lived in Flushing, Queens, NY and she was Mabel Welsh on the 1920 Census taken in January 1920.

Also, thank you for the Merchant Seaman Identity Certificate, 1918!!
That is him. I actually just saw another ship register for him and it had his DOB as 24 May, 1884.  I will be sending for his birth certificate(s); I may have to order a few as they seem to only have 3 month identifiers in addition to the name.

You have been a huge help in breaking through this wall. If you can think of anything else I can be pursuing, can you let me know? Many thanks!
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