Ward family 1890 backwards

[Paul Raynsford]

I am looking for any information on the ward family backwards from 1840 and anything from any time that the romany gypsie link can be found here is a bit of what I allready know about the family.
Thomas James ward born abt 1843  died abt 1892 (3rd great grandfarther) married a sarah hannah lucy ward (courtneidge) they had several children she may have remaried I only have the name of one of there children but confluting information found saying up to 12 children the child I know is john ward born abt 1886 died abt 1918 (2nd great grandfarther) married a jessie brown (2nd great grandmother) born abt 1871 died abt 1973 they had 7 children edith rose brown/ward, lilly rose ward, Elizabeth ward, cissie amelia ward, nellie ward, John  alfred ward, george william ward born 1907 died abt 1973 (my great grandfarther) married harriet ward (carroll)
george john Thomas ward (my grandfather) born 1927 died 2004
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[KGarrad]

Welcome to RootsChat!

From FreeBMD:
Marriage, September qtr 1867
Kensington Registration District     vol 1a, page 51

Ward, Thomas James
+ and on the same page +
Cortnidge, Sarah Hannah L

[JJen]

Hi,

Welcome to RootsChat 

There is an online tree for the Ward family with the marriage cert of T J Ward to Sarah, 05 Aug 1867, Hammersmith, Middlesex. His father is recorded as Thomas Ward, Labourer, which could be of help. Wits - Robert Bland and Mary Ann Baines.

However, I've been unable to find a birth of John Ward born c.1886 with mother's maiden name of Courtneidge. Do you have John's birth cert to clarify these details?

JJ

[KGarrad]

Children's births:

WARD, ELIZABETH        COURTNEDGE      
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 543

WARD, CHARLES  HENRY      COURTNEDGE      
GRO Reference: 1873  M Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 617

WARD, SARAH        COURTNEDGE        
GRO Reference: 1875  S Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 627

WARD, ALFRED  ERNEST      COURTNEIDGE      
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 709

WARD, EMILY        COURTNEDGE        
GRO Reference: 1880  M Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 676

WARD, ALFRED        CORTNEDGE      
GRO Reference: 1883  S Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 662

WARD, ROSINA        COURTNAGE        
GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 719

[avm228]

Welcome

Your dates don't look quite right for John Ward and Jessie Brown: you say he was born c1886 and she c1871, which would make her 15 years older than him.

In fact when they married at Christ Church, Mitcham on 8 June 1908 John was 24, a carman, and Jessie was 26.

His father: James John Ward, hawker (so not Thomas James Ward)
Her father: Henry Robert Brown, compositor

They seem have had a joint wedding with James William Swindle Beckett (another hawker) and Eliza Mary Mabey.  Both brides and both grooms were residing at 4 Phipps Terrace, Phipps Bridge Rd.   Both marriages were witnessed by the same people: Charles Edward Matthew Mabey, Sarah Ann Mabey and Mary Jane Mabey.

[Paul Raynsford]

Welcome

Your dates don't look quite right for John Ward and Jessie Brown: you say he was born c1886 and she c1871, which would make her 15 years older than him.

In fact when they married at Christ Church, Mitcham on 8 June 1908 John was 24, a carman, and Jessie was 26.

His father: James John Ward, hawker (so not Thomas James Ward)
Her father: Henry Robert Brown, compositor

They seem have had a joint wedding with James William Swindle Beckett (another hawker) and Eliza Mary Mabey.  Both brides and both grooms were residing at 4 Phipps Terrace, Phipps Bridge Rd.   Both marriages were witnessed by the same people: Charles Edward Matthew Mabey, Sarah Ann Mabey and Mary Jane Mabey.

hi there thanks for that can I ask were you found this info dates for both of john and jessie I have found mutiple possible dates and also may I ask what is a hawker

[JJen]

Hawker -

Peddler or street seller. Itinerant street dealer who carried his wares with him.

Source - http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

JJ

[JJen]

It would appear that Jessie was living with the Mabey family in 1901 -

Charles Mabey   36
Mary Mabey   36
Lizzie Mabey   16
Edward Mabey   12
Sarah Mabey   10
Dorothy Mabey   8
Joseph Mabey   6
Sidney Mabey   3
Annie Mabey   2
Jessie Brown   21
Edie Brown   6 Weeks
 
RG13 Piece 471 Folio 22 Page 36

JJ

[KGarrad]

Marriage, from FreeBMD:

June qtr 1908
Croydon Registration District     vol 2a, page 560

Brown, Jessie
+ and on the same page +
Ward, John


Birth
June qtr 1881
Lambeth Registration District     vol 1d, page 465

Brown, Jessie