Mini Brick wall Alice Beatrice Lilley

[Suzy100]

Could someone help me find the birth index or baptism for Alice Beatrice Lilley, please.  Father Robert Daniel Lilley, mother Harriett Carroll.  I have two DOB's for her, one from her school records which is on everyone's tree, 5th May 1888.  The other I have found on the 1939 register and it is 14th May 1889.  But either way I still cannot find the birth.  I tried searching on GRO but to no avail.  I have her marriages and even her death does not really help me as there are two possibles!  She married a George Richard Vyse in 1909 and then a Thomas W Stroud in 1938. 

Many thanks

[giggsycat]

To help others that are looking at this one!

Marriages Jun 1879   
CARROLL    Harriet        St. Saviour    1d   178    
LILLEY    Robert Daniel     St. Saviour    1d   178    

Alice born 1888 Southwark according to 1891 Census.

Giggsy
   

[Suzy100]

Yes sorry should have put that.

However 1911 census says abt 1889 again.

[giggsycat]

See what you mean Suzy!

I can find Reg's for Charles and Robert, but nothing for Alice or Florence 1891.

Perhaps they thought girls didn't count!

Very odd.

Giggsy

[giggsycat]

This gets sillier by the minute!

In 1881 Robert & Harriet have a 7 month old daughter - Matilda.

In 1891 there is no sign of Matilda and no death found.
There are these children:

Robert 1882 (Birth Reg found)
Charles 1884 (Birth Reg found)
Alice 1888
Florence 1891

1901

Maud 1893
Matilda (No 2) 1896

Suzy, have you found any Birth Reg's for the other children please?
It still appears that only the boys were registered.

Giggsy

PS If anyone else wants to play please join in 'cos I may be missing something! 

[rosie99]

Possible children but no sign of Alice Beatrice 


LILEY, HARRIETT  EMILY MATILDA                mmn CARROLL     
1879  June Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY  Volume 01D  Page 11
Deaths Dec 1879 
Lilley    Harriet Emily M   age 0    Camberwell    1d   534
..................................

LILLEY, ROSE  HANNAH MATILDA                 mmn CARROLL     
1880  Dec Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY  Volume 01D  Page 32
Possible death
Deaths Sep 1886   
Lilley Rose Anna   age 6    Camberwell    1d   457

.......
LILLEY, CHARLES  JAMES     CARROL     
GRO Reference: 1884  J Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY  Volume 01D  Page 136

LILLEY, ALBERT  EDWARD     CARROLL     
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in CAMBERWELL  Volume 01D  Page 989

LILLEY, ARTHUR  THOMAS     CARROLL     
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in CAMBERWELL  Volume 01D  Page 990
Deaths Dec 1885   
LILLEY    Arthur Thomas    0    Camberwell    1d   565

[Suzy100]

Thanks Rosie 99

I have managed to find 10 although in the 1911 census it states 11 children.  Although they still all have not been registered.  However some were Baptised and some were not.  Florence Ada was Baptised but no birth index.  I think maybe they had so many children and so many deaths they just gave up in the end!  How sad.  I do have the two brothers that appear to be twins, one died but the other one Albert Edward seems to disappear and was not on the census age 6 (1891) so don't know where he went! 

[Suzy100]

Ooop sorry thanks to giggsycat too

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Might they have confused the middle names? Can't see another birth to match

Albert Thomas Lilley
Q2 1887
Age at Death:    1
St Saviour Southwark  Vol 1d, p106