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help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« on: Monday 13 March 17 21:12 GMT (UK) »
Evening, I am trying to trace back through my nannas family. Here's what I have.. Born Ellie Mansfield to Thomas and Bridget Mansfield 18 December 1925 ringville dungarvan Waterford birth registered march 1926. Nannas mum Bridget maiden name was McGrath I can find there marriage certificate 1910 and they were on 1912 cenus togther in ardmore brigett age 23 and Thomas 25 on cenus. There is so much I want to know but logic says start with nannas brothers and sister, I know she had a big family and have found some details of alice Mansfield born 1926 brother Micheal born 1917 and Catherine born 1919. I believe there was a sister shiela that died in a house fire. I have Thomas (my nannas dad) dying 1951. They lived on a farm and nannas left Ireland around 1943-1950 as she married my grandad john dunnill in Northumberland south (uk) and had my dad in 1951.

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Re: help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 March 17 07:57 GMT (UK) »

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Re: help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 14 March 17 08:20 GMT (UK) »
possible marriage in Lismore 1934 for Mary to Patrick Morrison
Mary age 19 so born circa 1915
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1935/08937/5232451.pdf

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Re: help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 14 March 17 09:51 GMT (UK) »

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Re: help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 14 March 17 10:53 GMT (UK) »
LINK to 1911 census return for reference

I would agree with dathai that you need to relook at facts as there was at least three Thomas MANSFIELDs in the Dungarvan area around the 1910-1930 period

One was married to Catherine KIELY and another to Nora FRAHER

If you are 100% that Ellie's mother's maiden name was McGRATH then there are at least two more in the family to add to those mentioned already

1 1911 Margaret (Birth & Baptism records)
2 1914 Brigid (Birth & Baptism records)
3 1915 Mary  (Birth & Baptism records)
4 1916 Alice (Birth & Baptism records)
5 1917 Michael (Birth record)
6 1918 Martin (Baptism record)
7 1919 Catherine (Birth record)
8 1921 William (Baptism record) died aged 3 weeks LINK
9 1925 Ellie (Birth record)
10 1930 Michael (Birth record)
11 1932 Julia possibly the Sheila referred to by word of mouth family history (Birth record)
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 14 March 17 13:00 GMT (UK) »
Apologies louanddeanie should have said Welcome to Rootschat earlier!

Thomas MANSFIELD m Bridget McGRATH on Feb 10 1910 LINK
Civil Reference 1910 Dungarvan Quarter 1 Volume 4 Page 343

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Thomas MANSFIELD
b Dec 05 1884
bap. Dec 07 1884

Father Martin MANSFIELD
bc 1815
d May 06 1895 LINK

Mother Bridget MANSFIELD nee FOLEY
bc 1861 based on 1901 census
d after 1911 (informant on grandchild's birth in 1909 LINK; on 1911 census with daughter LINK)

1901 census for MANSFIELD family at 7 in Coolroe (Ardmore, Waterford)- LINK

There were at least eight children in this family
1875 Honor
1877 Alice
1880 Michael
1882 Margaret
1884 Thomas
1887 Bridget (twin)
1887 Mary (twin)
1889 Julia

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Brigid McGRATH
b Sep 19 1887 LINK (twin)

Father Willam McGRATH (shown on marraige as Wm)
bc 1866
d ??

Mother Margaret McGRATH nee FOLEY
bc 1868
d after 1911

They married on Feb 19 1882 LINK

1901 census for McGRATH family at 6 in Gowlaun (Ballymacart, Waterford) - LINK
This does not include Bridget; I think this is her LINK

1911 census for McGRATH family at same address - LINK

The 1911 census states that they had nine children
1 1883 Declan
2 1886 Honor/Nano
3 1887 Ellen (twin)
4 1887 Bridget (twin)
5 1890 Thomas
6 1893 Mary
7 1895 Catherine/Kate
8 1897 Hannah/Johanna
9 1900 Margaret
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 March 17 19:42 GMT (UK) »
wow thank you everyone so good of you all.

i'm still really confused how my nanna born ellie mansfield could marry my grandad as ellen mansfield and become ellen dunnill.

somewhere between 1925 birth of ellie before she got married as ellen in 1951 she must have changed her name?

also why would a young irish women come to london alone?

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Re: help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 March 17 19:45 GMT (UK) »
oh and if anyone can get nannas marraige certificate they were married ellen mansfield to john dunnill northumberland south 03 feb 1951.

thanks

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Re: help needed 1900's mansfield mcgrath confused.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 March 17 19:57 GMT (UK) »
If you haven't got her marriage cert yet how do you know who her father is?

As dathai and My Luck said you need to check who her father is on the marriage cert, and his job to be sure you are looking at the correct family.

English certs have to be ordered for the GRO in the UK.
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