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1939 Register - Confused?!
« on: Wednesday 15 March 17 17:40 GMT (UK) »
I have researched my relative, Mary McCabe on the 1939 Register. I have found the same person on the register twice. On the first entry her name appears to have been Mary McCabe changed to Mary Marie Ali and on the second entry her name is Mary McCabe - Marie Ali - Mary Sinclair - Mary Dixon. i understand that Mary McCabe married James Sinclair and divorced then married Alfred Dixon. I cannot find a marriage to anyone called Ali though.

My question is, what are all the codes meaning. On the first entry the green ink is - 24.10.66 22.2.61 CR283 KHU zhed SUN

The 2nd entry has a lot more codes - CR283 2283 KHU 4.3.78 ECIA KHU then 24.10.66 CR283 KHU 1/2 m/c 22.2.61 SUN.

I know that she lived in Sunderland and Scunthorpe, she was married in 1975 and 1982 and died in 1982.

I wonder if she changed her name by deed poll to Marie Ali would there be a record? 

I have no idea why Mary is on two records!

She's a real enigma, the only information we have for certain is:

She was born on 19th April 1933 in Sunderland
Had a daughter in 1961
Daughter was adopted in circa 1968
Married in Scunthorpe in 1975
Married in Scunthorpe in 1982
Died in 1982.

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Re: 1939 Register - Confused?!
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 18:13 GMT (UK) »
I'm not quite sure but it looks possible that the change from Mary McCabe to Marie Ali was effected on the production on 24.10.1966 of a marriage certificate (m/c) dated 22.2.1961.  Perhaps to the father of her child?

SUN would suggest Sunderland, but I cannot see any likely marriage there in the first quarter of 1961.  Perhaps it means that that was where the alteration to the 1939 Register was made?

Could she have married anywhere else - e.g. were there links to Ireland, as the family's names suggest?  Eloped to Scotland? Or did she go somewhere away from home to have her baby?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
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Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
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Re: 1939 Register - Confused?!
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 19:41 GMT (UK) »
I cannot be sure but looking at the second entry it seems as if the entry for Ali has been circled and scored through in red as if to indicate an error.

Until or unless we can see page 22 Book 2 we may never know the true picture.

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Re: 1939 Register - Confused?!
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Mary A McCabe married Mentesh M Ali June 1956 Camberwell, Surrey, also on London England Electoral Register 1965 Bermondsey


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Re: 1939 Register - Confused?!
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 22:04 GMT (UK) »
Mary McCabe appears to have two entries but the second one is a continuation entry; this just means an extra line had to be created because there was no space left on the original line. Not entirely surprising in this case because there were plainly a lot of notes made on this lady! 'See page 22 Bk II' is a reference to this continuation entry. Continuation entries were usually on blank pages at the back of the transcript book, but in the case of a large district that extends into a second (or very occasionally a third) book, the continuation entries will be on the back pages of the second (or third) book. This continuation entry is at the back of the second book, and also has a cross-reference to the original entry, which is only partly visible because the line below is blacked out.

Normally where there is a continuation entry you will only get a single result, and the image will link to the continuation entry. It didn't happen here, possibly because there is a discrepancy in the transcription (Marie in the first, Maries in the second). I have seen a few other examples of this, sometimes where there is a transcription error, but also where the clerk made a mistake writing the continuation entry, or where part of an entry is obscured by an ink-blot or discoloured sticky tape. So there is no linkage, but you can see from the piece numbers and the enumeration district code that this district, FDUF, extended into a second book.

There is no available list of what the various codes and abbreviations mean, but a date will be the date when the register was updated, not the date of an event itself. NR or CR followed by a number is almost certainly the serial number of the form used to notify a change, NR being 'National Register' (while National Registration was still in force) and later CR 'Central Register'  when it became the Central Register of the NHS.


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Re: 1939 Register - Confused?!
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 March 17 11:08 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your help. I ordered the certificate for Mary A McCabe to Mentesh Ali however that is not our Mary, too many discrepancies. I found the marriages to Sinclair and Dixon which has now led me to find her death, took two years to get this far!

We just cant find any trace of her from 1953 (newspapers when she was a naughty girl!) to 1975 when she married James Sinclair in Scunthorpe. Perhaps we'll never know what happened between 1953 and 1975.

Thanks everyone

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Re: 1939 Register - Confused?!
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 May 18 23:26 BST (UK) »
I wonder if KHU means Kingston upon Hull, maybe she had a Hull connection? If anyone else has seen this on any Hull residents' 1939 registers let us know. Or on a non-Hull register to rule it out.

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Re: 1939 Register - Confused?!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 11 May 18 07:04 BST (UK) »
KHU does not appear on this list of enumeration districts
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/1939-register-enumeration-districts
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Re: 1939 Register - Confused?!
« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 May 18 10:10 BST (UK) »
Hi

There is also a (partly obscured) note on the rhs of the "second entry".

"Page 16 book 2"?

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