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Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« on: Wednesday 15 March 17 22:29 GMT (UK) »
My Gt.Grandfather Charles Ernest Short was born in Beddington, Surrey on March 27th 1857 to parents John & Judith Short. He married Emily Ann Gator in 1887. Researching through the UK census I cannot locate Charles in the 1861 census but can in subsequent ones. His parents are in Beddington, Surrey in 1861 but no sign of any children.There are two other children, Maria and John, who should be on the census but cannot locate them either. The whole family seems to have never drifted away from Wallington or Beddington in Surrey. Can anyone offer any suggestions please?

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Re: Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 22:35 GMT (UK) »
There are missing pages in all censuses but 1861 has suffered most.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/census-records/ read number 8

Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Funny to have the parents alone with no children especially the young ones.

Looking at the 1861 the parents are at the bottom of the last page (12) in district one.  I was thinking the children would be listed over the page but can't turn the page. 

I suspect they were at home and wherever the next page is they may be listed - would it be district two page one?
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Re: Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 22:52 GMT (UK) »
No not that simple but the first page in district one has 2 unattended sons and 1 unattended granddaughter at the top of the page!

John 9
Thomas 3
Ellen Hurt (but it could be Short) 2

Unfortunately not the names you wanted  :(
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Re: Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 March 17 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi

District 1 page numbering runs . . . . .

page no    page no
displayed  actual(printed)
1               1? (hand-written) obviously not the first page
2               ? missing
3               ? missing
4               10
5               11
6               12
7               13
8               14
9               ? missing
10             16
11             ? missing
12             18

18 is obviously not the last

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Re: Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 March 17 11:12 GMT (UK) »
Thank you to everyone who replied. It all makes sense and also explains why some other ancestors have mysteriously 'disappeared' from sight for a while.

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Re: Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 March 17 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Just one other point: if the family was complete as shown on page 18 there would be two diagonal strokes to the left of Judith's name. The fact that there isn't anything indicates that the family must have continued on the next page.....which isn't there  :-\

Looks like another casualty of the 1861 census missing pages and pieces.
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Re: Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 March 17 11:30 GMT (UK) »

. . . . . although there is a blank line after Judith.

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Re: Finding a missing ancestor in 1861
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 March 17 11:33 GMT (UK) »

. . . . . although there is a blank line after Judith.

True, but there is also a blank line at the bottom of many of the preceding pages.
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