Ann Rickets and Henry Edmunds Caernonshire 1860s

[Katzpurr]

My cousin and I are trying to find a the marriage for Our great great grandparents Ann Rickets?? and Henry Edmunds which would most likely be in the 1860's in Caernovonshire.      Henry was born in 1844. In Llanllechid, and the mother of his children Ann Rickets according to census returns. Was born in either Penmorfa,  Llanchellid between 1832 and 1838.     Her name before this marriage  was Rickets according to the two birth certificates we have been able to track down. 

The first child we can track down born to them  is my Great grandfather William Henry Edmunds in 1844 born in Llanchellid.    6 children so far we can find have followed on after him.  I have tried searching  and as many different variations to Edmunds  as I can.  And Rickets, Rickets, Trickets, Richards Prichards Etc for her as we can think off.    Using Ancestry, Free Reg, FindMyPast,  North Wales. BMD, Family Search and anything else we can think of.    Also have been through the Newspapers online at the National library of Wales.  Hav also looked under Denbigh, Merioneithshire and Anglesea in case the marriage is shown there

Thanks

Kat
Auckland, New Zealand

[chempat]

Welcome to rootschat, Kat.

You have put for their first child:

'William Henry Edmunds in 1844 born in Llanchellid.'

Do you mean 1864?

As you have searched very thoroughly, then perhaps they did not marry?

Or did she initially marry someone else, he died, and she then married under her new surname?

Have you found both Henry and Ann in 1861 census?

[chempat]

If this is the family in 1871, then it is highly likely that Ann was married before:
Living in Llanllechid
Henry Edmunds   26
Ann Edmunds   33  Penmorfa
William H Edmunds   6
Grace Edmunds 3
Ann Edmunds   1

Added:
In the 1881 census, her age is now 47....

Have found Henry with parents etc in 1861.

Grace is showing as mmn Reckets on GRO site, and Ann as Annie with mmn Rickets

[Katzpurr]

Thanks for the welcome and Apologies for my typo.  I had meant 1864. 

We have looked at the possibility of this being her second marriage or they were just pretending.   Although that would have been difficult to do in a Small Welsh village in the 1860s.   

I can't find Ann on a Census before her marriage that is recognisable as her.     A couple of options but I will re-explore the 1851 Census.    Also wondering if  Ann was her middle name.

I can follow them in the 1861 Census on, and Henry from his birth on till both their deaths.   

Fingers crossed.   

[chempat]

Yes, she does appear to be hidden, but there does seem to be a lack of any suitable marriages.

Have you tried for any parish births for her?

[Katzpurr]

Parish records online have been gone through a few times.   But  so many Ann's.      Even deaths for Reckets to see if there could be a vague idea.   

It's become one of those gaping holes in my tree that has I'd love to fill in

[AMBLY]

Hi Katzpurr,

Welcome to Rootschat 

For our reference, William Henry and the 6 following siblings must be these? So,  showing consistency with the mms.
   
   ISSUE:
   1 William Henry EDMUNDS 1864, mms RICKETS(Bangor)
   2 Grace 1867, mms RECKETS (Bangor)
   3 Annie 1870, mms RICKETS (Bangor)
   4 Sarah 1872, mms RICKETS (Bangor)
   5 Jane 1875, mms RICKETS (Bangor)
   6 Ellen 1878, mms RICKETS (Bangor)
   7 Thomas 1881, mms RICKETS (Bangor)

Ann's ages & POB's at Census and at Death:
   Ann: 1871 - b Penmorfa, age 33 (b abt 1838)
   Ann: 1881 - b Llanllechid - aged 47 (b abt 1832) son Thomas is  days old.
   Anne: 1891 - Dolbenmaen - age 53  (b abt 1838)
   Ann: 1901 -  Llanllechid,- age 63 (b abt 1838)
   Anne: 1911 - Penymorfa- age 73 (b abt 1838)
   Ann: 1919 - Reg Bangor 1919, age 82 (b abt 1837)
   
The 1901 Census, her age is a little difficult to make out - but I do believe it is 63 - the little tag on top of the digit - and definitely not 68 or 60.
   
That would make the 1881 Census the exception -  where  her age is clearly enumerated as 47. However - her infant son is only 2 days old. It's not unheard of to be giving birth at 47,  but I'd lay bets that in 1881 she is probably is about 43.
   
Overall, her yob is consistently abt 1838.

Her place of birth - my inclination would be to zero in on the smallest place, Dolbenmaen  - which is connected to larger Parish/Rectory of Penmorfa. Both are covered by the Registration district of Ffestiniog - and there is connection to Merionethshire too:
   
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/DolBenMaen
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Penmorfa
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE/2004-01/1073152914

I agree, she could have been born RICKET, perhaps illegitimately, perhaps not,  perhaps just prior to civil registration and her mother may have married or remarried to a man whose name Ann took.

She may have married prior to Henry- she was possibly 26 yrs old in 1864 when her first known child with him was born - and if that's the case it could be a  double puzzle - she may have married 1st under a stepfather's name and then married 2nd to Henry under a first, late husbands name.

But then......there is lack of evidence of Henry EDMUNDS marrying anyway. If she was married prior, and that husband didn't actually die, that could be the reason there.....there's no ambiguity about Henry's name is there?

Cheers
AMBLY