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Re: bevan boys WW2
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 August 05 13:19 BST (UK) »
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The new socialist government faced many critical tasks, and central to addressing these tasks was the doctrine of public ownership. Hence, the Labour Government's program was nationalization on a massive scale: hospitals, medical, and dental professions, the Bank of England, gas and electricity, iron and steel, road haulage, railroads, civil aviation, Cable & Wireless and, at the top of the list, Britain's coal mining industry. Coal production was the key to economic and industrial recovery. Therefore, as an alternative to conscription in the armed forces, young men had the choice of serving their country for two years by enlisting as coal miners. I decided to do just that. We were known as "Bevin Boys," named after the Minister of Labor and National Service, Ernest Bevin.

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http://www.libertyhaven.com/countriesandregions/britain/socialist.html

This probably explains my "misunderstanding" There would probably have been a large number of bbs who were conciencious objectors, and I suppose that in many mining communities that they were all classed as such.
                                                   
Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell

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Re: bevan boys WW2
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 August 05 13:36 BST (UK) »
BUT THIS IS WHAT I THINK YOU ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR

The Bevin Boys Association
c/o Warwick H. Taylor MBE
School Cottage
49a Hogshill Street
Beaminster
DT8 3AG
Dorset
England

Hope they can help you
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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell

South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire

Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol

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Re: bevan boys WW2
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 August 05 15:03 BST (UK) »
Hi dawnwas
My father was a miner at the outbreak of war and was refused release so had to stay there.
Some years ago he wrote a personal history entwined with that of the NBC, for family interest basically. Anyway, he says in there that in Dec 1943 Ernest Bevin came up with this idea of balloting those eligible for call up and one in ten reaching National Insurance age were picked for the mines. The hope was to get 50,000 a year for the mines. In the first full year, 1944-1945, after weeding-out the unsuitables they got only 21,000 ballotees and few of them became coal face workers. It was a hard job and I think you had to be brought up with it to make  a go of underground life.
Dad was a miner in Derbyshire, and his father too who had been sent there from the Black Country in the '20s.
Just out of curiosity, the book about Cannock that you mention.....is it just Cannock itself, or the area around? Would you mind very much looking to see (if there is a name index) if it mentions  a Wollox(h)all at all? there were some at Cheslyn Hay and I have  a feeling there was a miner at Cannock but can't put my finger on the date.
Not to worry if there is no index. Could you perhaps post the title at least because it does sound interesting.
Thanks :)
Rose (Black Country),Downs (Black Country),Wolloxall (any and all),Bark (Derbyshire),Wright (Derbyshire),Marsden (Derbyshire), Wallace (Black Country)

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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 15 January 09 00:55 GMT (UK) »
       I worked in the coal mines for a while in my younger days and in the south yorkshire pits a bevin boy was always regarded as something less than a miner, even 20 or so tears after the war.
       Now because coal was a nessesity for the war effort, mr bevin brought about an act whereby a concientious objector was able to contribute to the country by working in one of the industries deemed nessesary to the country.
        many of these boys were genuine objectors but the stigma of being a bevin boy held for many many years.
                             

Bevin Boys were not conscientious objectors, and vice versa.  The Bevin Boy scheme was, indeed, instituted by Ernest Bevin, Minister of Labour and National Service, in 1943, as a means of ensuring an adequate supply of miners to hew coal essential for both industry and heating homes.  It operated by a civil servant each week drawing a paper out of a hat containing 10 pieces numbered 0-9.  That week all men due for call-up whose National Service number ended with the chosen digit were compulsorily diverted from the armed forces into mining (subject to exceptions for the medically unfit and essential workers in other industries).  Men already in mining were not allowed to leave (except for health or age reasons), but that did not make them Bevin Boys, nor were they ever so called.

Some men recognised as conscientious objectors were given mining as one of a range of conditions of exemption from military service, but that also did not make them Bevin Boys.

The scheme continued for a couple of years after the end of the war, and the designated men continued to be known as Bevin Boys, although Ernest Bevin had moved on to be Foreign Secretary.  The scheme had nothing whatsoever to do with Aneurin Bevan, who was a backbench MP in WW2, and there never were any Bevan Boys, despite the confusing title allocated to this thread.  There was no-one of any relevance named Beven, and there were never any Beven Boys. 




 


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Re: bevan boys WW2
« Reply #13 on: Monday 20 December 10 04:31 GMT (UK) »
Dear " Gardener" and indeed others on this thread.I have finally made my way back onto this site after quite a while...appologies for lack of response on my part.
The interesting book I had spoken about was written by Harry Hartill,and is called " children of the twenties". It was printed in 1995 by Chase Terrace High School,and it is a delight!
I do not remember the name Wollox but will have another look.

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« Reply #14 on: Monday 20 December 10 14:25 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Fitzjohn for your accurate postings of the names and contexts of Aneurin Bevan, and Ernest Bevin. Prior to WW2 and his becoming an MP Esnest Bevin was the General Secretary of the T&GWU.
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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 22 December 10 17:48 GMT (UK) »
My dad was sent down the mines at the end of the war although he had trained in Canada as an RAF bomb-aimer. I believe that the reduction in the losses in Bomber Command led to a surplus of aircrew, so the government decided to put them to work in the mines. Dad told us that they were kept under RAF control so that they could be "ordered" to go to work- I don't know if that was correct, but he was very bitter about it as he had left his reserved occupation on the farm to fly in the RAF. He also said that there was serious industrial unrest in the mines at the time and the miners considered them to be strike breakers.
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 23 December 10 16:02 GMT (UK) »
Kent coalfield by any chance?
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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 29 December 10 23:29 GMT (UK) »
I tried to make some discrete family inquiries over Christmas but the subject seems to be shrouded in secrecy! It seems that Dad went AWOL from the mines and was put up by a sympathetic auntie in Leeds, but he can't have been in too much trouble as he was soon back in the open working on the farm. I might try to obtain his RAF record to see what it says.
Fred :)