Author Topic: Doyle families, Graiguenamanagh (Peter/Katie Cahill and John/Elizabeth Malone)  (Read 1752 times)

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New to this!  Both my grandparents were named Doyle, therefore, making search that bit harder!! Nana came over to Scotland with her parents (Peter/Katie) and 2 brothers, approximately 1913/1917. Papa too but much later, through connections here.  Married in about 1941. Nana had more siblings born here, but papa never returned. With the Census 1911 showing his parents and siblings Michael, Pat, John, Denis, Martin and Kate. Have some family death notices of Michael (Hennessys Rd, Waterford) in 1983 saying he was 70 but this doesnt seem to tie in to his approximate date on census of birth as 1897?? One for Denis, Tinnehinch, Graiguenamanagh who died in 1972 and Pat's wife (Kathleen) Dundalk in 1972 also. Sure Kate's (Cathy) married name was Bolger and at one time stayed in Box St Mullins? Cant seem to get any further on. Also on nana's side, her mother had family in Ballingarry/Ballinvarry (is this the same place?) according to old letters? Noticed a previous member, who I think may have been related hasnt been active on site for a couple of years.  Any ideas guys?? Would appreciate any help. Thanks

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Welcome to RootsChat Patsy
Lot of information there to process
Let's start with the Census
Is this the family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Graiguemanagh/Coolroe/529763/
The birth of their youngest Martin 1910 Coolroe. Registration District Thomastown
Gives mother's maiden name as Malone
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01568/1632635.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
It should be possible to find the births of the rest of the children.

Ages on deaths are often incorrect as people were not as sure of their age as we are today also on a death you are relying on someone else knowing the deceased persons age.

John Doyle and Eliza Malone married 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10483/2818120.pdf

Hope that's the correct family.


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Re: Doyle families, Graiguenamanagh (Peter/Katie Cahill and John/Elizabeth Malone)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 March 17 09:55 BST (UK) »
Birth registration for the other son of Peter Doyle and Catherine Cahill (shown in the previously posted census return for 'house 23 in Graiguenamanagh')...

John Doyle born on 22 November 1908:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01632/1652919.pdf

In addition, Peter Doyle and Catherine Cahill went on to have...

Martin Doyle born on 18 May 1911:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01526/1619237.pdf

Mary Doyle born on 29 May 1912:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01479/1602508.pdf


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Re: Doyle families, Graiguenamanagh (Peter/Katie Cahill and John/Elizabeth Malone)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 March 17 10:27 BST (UK) »

Doyle is a very common name, nothstanding that caveat, when you consider the information known about Peter Doyle so far, this is just a possibility for his birth, a Peter Doyle born at Raheendonore on 4 August 1881 to parents John Doyle and Mary Ryan:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02813/2032269.pdf

John Doyle, a labourer from Raheen, married Mary Ryan, a servant maid from Cappagh on 24 July 1873 in Inistiogue RC parish, John's father was given as Martin Doyle, a farmer, Mary's father as Edward Ryan, likewise a farmer.  John Doyle and Mary Ryan went on to have (in addition to son Peter): Martin in 1874; Catherine in 1876; Edward in 1877; and Mary in 1879. 

As I said, just a possibility.


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Re: Doyle families, Graiguenamanagh (Peter/Katie Cahill and John/Elizabeth Malone)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 March 17 11:03 BST (UK) »

The same caveat regarding the Doyle surname applies, the following possibility is even more speculative. Assuming this (below) is John Doyle and Elizabeth Malone in 1901, the two censuses place John's year of birth c. 1873-1876:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Graiguenamanagh/High_Street/1453272/

A John Doyle was born on 27 February 1874 a couple of miles NW of Graiguenamanagh at Tinnapark to parents Michael Doyle and Catherine Kelly:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03158/2158483.pdf

Michael Doyle, a labourer from Newtown, married Catherine Kelly, a servant from Graigue on 10 July 1871 in Graignamanagh RC parish, Michael's father was given as John Doyle, a labourer from Ballinakill (deceased), Catherine's father was given as Denis Kelly, a labourer from Tinnapark.  Michael Doyle and Catherine Kelly went on to have (in addition to son John): Patrick in 1872; Denis in 1876; Patrick in 1878; William in 1881; and Michael in 1884.

Again, just to note as a speculative possibility.


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Re: Doyle families, Graiguenamanagh (Peter/Katie Cahill and John/Elizabeth Malone)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 March 17 19:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Sinann and Gaffy...thank  you so much for the information. Think I might be doing a bit better than I thought, as do have quite a bit of that information already! Apart from some things though and much appreciated. Knew my great grandparents John/Elizabeth had Maggie not shown on the census, but didnt know about Joseph! Also did come across my great grandfather's parents, but like you said, could be speculative...wasnt sure if going down correct road! Family stories passed down though was that 1 or 2 of my papa's brothers went to America? But the date of Michael Doyle on family cards that we have, is that he passed away in 1983 aged 70? We have thought though, as this happened on my nana's side that a sibling passed away, or never returned alive from America, (as we were under the impression it was Mikey)and they named a newborn the same name?? Strange but true lol!! Also know from a solicitors letter that my auntie just gave me that my nana's uncle James Cahill and wife (?) stayed in a family holding in Ballinvarry/Ballingarry, and on google map they are all around the same area.  Know my nana initially stayed in The Rower, but came over here quite young. Hoping there are some relatives still over there, so it is more up to date family trail that I am trying to follow.  This seems harder than great ancestors!!  Just cant seem to find out how I can find family down the line, until the present date?? Can you help??  It seems that I have to go into local libraries, etc for up to date information. Dennis Doyle died in 1972 in Tinnapark and Michael Doyle in 1983 in Waterford. Plus their sister in law (Kathleen Doyle) in 1972 in Dundalk.  So the search for family members might be a bit further afield.  Waiting on a couple of letters been handed down from a family member which may shed some light.  Absolutely fascinating and frustrating at the same time!  And yeah Raheendonore is a place known in the family.  Hoping to visit in summer to do some more digging!  Thanks very much again and if you know how to get information to the present date, would be very grateful!

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Re: Doyle families, Graiguenamanagh (Peter/Katie Cahill and John/Elizabeth Malone)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 March 17 00:13 BST (UK) »
More recent records are more difficult due to data protection, for example all the deaths in your post are too late for the Certs to be online, and too early for death notice websites.
You might however find their death notices in Newspaper archive sites.

It's also rather difficult to follow the information you have posted on two differen Doyle families in one post.
It would be better to post on one family at a time.

It might be possible to find marriages for some of them, men can be more difficult if they married a woman from another area as marriages usually take place in the brides parish.
You can see here what years have Certs online.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-years-are-covered-by-the-historic-records-of-births-marriages-and-deaths

When you have the letters which will hopefully give you some more information decide what you want to find out and work on one family at a time, we will help if we can. Remember not to post names of anyone living or possibly living.