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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #9 on: Monday 05 February 18 06:47 GMT (UK) »
Is this the Wilfred you are looking for?

W.W.1 Canadian Expeditionary Force dated 22 September 1914
Wilfred James Mathews born 20 August 1893,Acrinton Lancs. occupation Photographer,
previous military service 1 year with South Wales Borders.
Nearest relative Mrs. Maria Ann Mathews, 68 Buttesland Street, Hoxton, North London

Ref ancestry.

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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #10 on: Monday 05 February 18 07:05 GMT (UK) »
There is a Wilfred James Mathews age 20 on the passenger lists in 1912 going to Winnipeg.
There is also a Wilfred Mathews age 19 further down on the same passenger list.


Do you know if the parents emigrated? because if the previous Wilfred James's  mother is in Hoxton 1914 then the 1921 census of Canada is a puzzle with another Wilfred James with parents of the same name.
1921 Orla Avenue, York South Ontario
James Charles Mathews 66 born England locomotive engineer
Maria 59 born England
Wilfred J 28 born England, whacker at the abbotoir
Ruth age 6 born Ontario

ADDED faith Unitarian

James, Maria and Wilfred state they emigrated 1900!!

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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #11 on: Monday 05 February 18 07:28 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps this can shed light on it.
Death certificate for James Mathews age 79 years 11 months, York Ontario.
Born 20 December 1855 died 26 November 1834 buried 28th.
Informant Maria Ann (Pearce) wife.
Father unknown
mother Catherine Guy
**Lived in Canada 18 years. This would put his emigration as 1916

This would be the family that are in Sheffield Yorkshire 1901 census, mothers maiden name for the children is Pearce.
1911 James C Mathews 54 and wife Maria 49 are in Yelverton reg dist.Tavistock Devon he is  an engine driver.
 

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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #12 on: Monday 05 February 18 07:42 GMT (UK) »
This James Charles Mathews age61 and wife Maria Ann 56 born England arrived 19 December 1917 in New York, destination Ontario, he is an engine driver, they plan to join a child.
(Wilfred James?)


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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #13 on: Monday 05 February 18 07:45 GMT (UK) »
Is this the Wilfred you are looking for?

W.W.1 Canadian Expeditionary Force dated 22 September 1914
Wilfred James Mathews born 20 August 1893,Acrinton Lancs. occupation Photographer,
previous military service 1 year with South Wales Borders.
Nearest relative Mrs. Maria Ann Mathews, 68 Buttesland Street, Hoxton, North London

Ref ancestry.

1911 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6K-2N1
Wilfred James Matthews born c1894 Accrington Lancs a boarder in Cardiff

Wilfred with his parents

1901 RG13; Piece: 4343; Folio: 10; Page: 11
Sheffield
James C MATTHEWS 44 Penzance Cornwall Bricklayer lab.
Maria A 39 Tavistock Devon
Frederwick W 9 Birmingham Warwickshire
WILFRED J 7    ditto
Ernest H 6        Radford Yorks
Catherine W DYSON m-in law 70 Penzance Cornwall

1891 RG12; Piece: 3553; Folio: 40; Page: 23
James MATHEWS 34 & Anna Maria MATHEWS 29 visiting Silvanus & Catherine DYSON

Perhaps this can shed light on it.

Death certificate for James Mathews age 79 years 11 months, York Ontario.
Born 20 December 1855 died 26 November 1834 buried 28th.
Informant Maria Ann (Pearce) wife.
Father unknown
mother Catherine Guy
**Lived in Canada 18 years. This would put his emigration as 1916

This would be the family that are in Sheffield Yorkshire 1901 census, mothers maiden name for the children is Pearce.

1911 James C Mathews 54 and wife Maria 49 are in Yelverton reg dist.Tavistock Devon he is  an engine driver.
 

This appears to be James bp. and birth entry from GRO

James Charles Matthews born 27 Dec 1857
Baptism 3 Jan 1858 Saint Erth,Cornwall,England
Father:   James Matthews   Mother:   Catherine

MATTHEWS, JAMES  CHARLES mmn WEYMOUTH
1857  M Quarter in PENZANCE  Volume 05C  Page 310

Edit - theses appear to be the siblings of James from 1861 census
RG 9; Piece: 1594; Folio: 102; Page: 26

MATTHEWS, MARY  MARIA  mmn   GUY     
1854  J Quarter in PENZANCE  Volume 05C  Page 356   
 
MATTHEWS, WALTER  JOHN mmn   GUY     
1858  D Quarter in PENZANCE  Volume 05C  Page 310   

MATTHEWS, CATHERINE  WEYMOUTH  mmn   GAY     
1861  M Quarter in PENZANCE  Volume 05C  Page 356   

Marriage 1853 Penzance
James MATTHEWS
Female name on same page
Catherine Weymouth GUY



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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #14 on: Monday 05 February 18 08:15 GMT (UK) »
Going back another generation
James Charles Mathews mother Catherine Dyson ref 1901 census listed by ladyhawk

Her name listed as Catherine Weymouth Mathews widow married the widower Sylvanus Dyson age 51 on 15 December 1883 at St John Upton York , her father John Guy a Marble Mason.

so this is where Frederick Weymouth Mathews gets his middle name from.

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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #15 on: Monday 05 February 18 08:47 GMT (UK) »
and here's the baptism record for Wilfred James Matthews confirming  dob
(same as on the W.W.1 Canadian Expeditionary Force as posted by amondg)

Wilfred James Matthew  born 20 Aug 1893
Baptism 6 Sep 1893 Laisterdyke, St Mary, Yorkshire
Father James Matthew, engine driver Mother Maria Ann , 4 Derby Place

added just in case you don't have this bp.

Ernest Harold Matthews  born 8 Jan 1895
Baptism 4 Sep 1895 Eccleshill, St Luke, Yorkshire
Father   James Matthews, engine driver Mother: Maria , 75 Fagley Road

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The last thing I can find is him in 1911 with his brothers

Did you mean 1901 census ?
Wilfred is a boarder 1911 (link added previously) and his brothers
Frederick Weymouth & Ernest Harold Matthews are together on 1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6K-HQT

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Thanks everyone for the help. I have not been able to find the 1939 census again and so have forgotten the address, but I'll keep hunting

Were you referring to Frederick? If so,

Frederick Weymouth Matthews  born 9 Aug 1891 died age 86
Dec 1977   Southend on Sea Essex Volume   9 Page   2682

You can search the 1939 register for free, used dob above and this entry came up
Enfield U.D.   Middlesex   
Frederick W   Matthews   1891   




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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #16 on: Monday 05 February 18 09:19 GMT (UK) »
Interesting you have tracked the name Weymouth to Penzance, Cornwall.

Going back further, I have the name Weymouth in Brixham, Devon  so perhaps you will find the link some day.

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Re: Frederick Weymouth Matthews
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 06 February 18 20:18 GMT (UK) »
My Great Uncle was born Frederick Weymouth Matthews on 09/08/1891 in Kings Norton (this was in Worcestershire at this time but only became part of Birmingham in the 1960s).

Moved around with family (dad James Mum Maria and two brothers Ernest & Wilfred)

He was in Cardiff in 1911 and I have recently found out he died in 1977 in Southend on Sea in Essex. (hence the reason he is being mentioned on here)

I also found out last week that on the 1939 census he was in Enfield in Middlesex but the shock is it mentions he was married.

Now her name is NOT on this census and he died alone (he has no headstone) so what I want to know is

1. When did he arrive in Southend.

2, What was his wifes name and did she come to Southend with him or not? &

3. anything that may help me track his timeline etc and if there are other family here


I'm hoping this info. at least answers part of your question 2 and a little bit of 3 if it's the correct FWM

From the London Electoral Register I have found these entries

1939
50A Hertford Road Enfield
Frederick Weymouth Matthews & Alice Matthews

Years 1936, 1937, 1938
20 Lincoln Way
Frederick Weymouth Matthews & Alice Matthews
others at same address
S & R Ethel Brace married 1931 Sheffield mmn Wikeley
R A & D L Truefitt married 1928 mmn Rhoder

Years 1934, 1935 Enfield
538 Hertford Road
Frederick Weymouth Matthews & Alice Matthews
also at that address
H G & G D Siddens maiden name Dellow married 1930 Edmonton,
Siddens at that address for years 1931, 1936, 1937 and again 1963, 1964 but no Matthews

Years 1930, 1931, 1932  Enfield
21 Lowden Road
Frederick Weymouth Matthews & Alice Matthews
M L & D M Seaward,
M L are at that address from 1921, 1925,26,27,28,1933, 34,35,36 she married F C Seaward NO Matthews with them on those years

1929 Enfield
9 Tenby Road
Frederick Weymouth Matthews & Alice Matthews
J & M March at the same address this couple are there in 1928, 1930, 1931 but no Matthews

No middle name for Frederick – so this might not be them

Years 1923, 1928
193 Archway Road
Frederick & Alice Matthews
other persons at the same address
D E & E M Richardson married 1914 mn Jenrick
1925, 1931, 1932 34 35 36 37 only the Richardsons NO FW & A Matthews

Do you have any idea when Frederick moved back from Wales to London?

Do you know if there was an Alice Matthews in the family?

Of course Alice may just be a relative and not his wife  :-\

Was hoping to find Frederick Matthews with his distinctive middle name Weymouth on London Electoral Register before 1929 and after 1939 but it’s proving to be difficult.  ???

The records I found on LER he’s listed as Frederick Matthews and there are many with that name – it was purely by chance I looked at one record and it gave his middle name Weymouth and there was Alice.

I have been looking for marriages of a Frederick W Matthews to Alice ? after 1911 census as he was in Wales and up to 1929 London Electoral Register Entry as he with Alice

These are the marriages I’ve come up with from FreeBMD - difficult as none have a full middle name only  an initial  ???

Dec 1915 Aston
Frederick W Matthews to Alice Townsend

Dec 1915 Devonport
Frederick Matthews to Alice Alford

Mar 1920 Doncaster
Frederick Matthews to Alice Barker

Sep 1921 Islington
Frederick W Matthews to Alice Davey

I was leaning towards the Islington one  but it's just speculation as his brother Ernest married in Islington - I can't see the 1921 marriage entry  on Ancestry but here's his brothers marriage

28 Oct 1917 Christ Church, Highbury Grove, Islington
Ernest Harold Matthews 23, motor driver 58 Whistler St father James, motor driver
Rose Annie Barber 19, same address, father Thomas Robert Charles Barber, pastry cook
witness were TRC Barber & Lilian Harriet Barber

Will take another look tomorrow just in case I've missed something obvious.........

Frederick death entry was in Southend might this be a possibility for Alice

Matthews   Alice   age 73 Dec 1949 Southend   4a   761

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