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Re: Which regiments are these men from? - Crimea
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 30 July 05 14:09 BST (UK) »
Mack,

Appologies for not replying sooner but the site has been playing up and I haven't been able to get in. :-\

Thankyou soo much for such fantastic information,I'm stunned!

I was hoping that someone could help identify the uniforms and never expected to get so much info,it's incredible and I'm extremely grateful to you for taking the time to type it all out for me.

I would love to see the other photos and will pm you with my email address.

The fact that Parkinson joined the Birmingham police is very significant and also that Hughes was the last surving member from the charge, incredible stuff.Could I ask the source of the info?

I owe you one Mack,

Yours aye,Mick ;)





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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 30 July 05 14:56 BST (UK) »
WELL,am i getting a star or what ;D,i have the entire roll for the light brigade,many are just name, rank,number and if they rode in the charge,mack
ps,are you compiling a list of b/ham PCs or is it just an interest in b/ham history,mack
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 30 July 05 15:51 BST (UK) »
Mack! you would get a huge gold star if I had any say in it  8)

It was believed that one or all of these men were Birmingham Policemen at some time although nobody seemed certain,so the info that you have very kindly found for me confirms so much.

I have been quite involved in researching the history of Birmingham recently, in particular the Police, which is how I came to have this photo (it's a long story).

The photos that you emailed me are superb but I do have one question,is Sergt Maj Howes the chap on the last page,bottom left? as his name is missing but I guess it's him.

You're a star Mack you really are....

Best wishes,Mick ;)

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 30 July 05 17:37 BST (UK) »
mickey,sgt maj howes is on the 1st page bottom left,mack
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 30 July 05 17:46 BST (UK) »
mickey,one of the pics i sent is cpl john ashley kilvert,he was at the same dinner in brum,hes buried in wood green cemetary west brom,he lived in wednesbury and became the mayor,you can trace his family back 900 years,his medals are in wednesbury art gallery,mack
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« Reply #14 on: Monday 01 August 05 00:50 BST (UK) »
Mack,

Fantastic information,many thanks.Is it known how many men attended the dinner in Birmingham in 1895?

I'm not in the Midlands so unfortunately I can't check the local papers but they must have covered this important event.Very interesting about Cpl Kilvert, I'm suprised his medals are in an art gallery as opposed to the regimental museum, at least they are in his home town.

If stars were mine to give Mack,you'd get 'em but I'd have to let Liverpool Annie have one to as she has also been a great help. :)

Mick ;)

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 01 August 05 02:54 BST (UK) »



Mickey - this isn't your guys - but thought this might be of interest!!

The goings-on at the end of the fair were not affected by war and rumour of war, but the business of the first week could be. In 1830 the 'political transactions' in France precluded French dealers; in 1848 there were only four buyers from Germany and Russia due to the 'unsettled state of foreign nations'; and in 1854 'noRussians dared to appear' - because of the Crimean War. The army made extensive purchases at the fair in 1853-55, particularly Col Wingfield for the Royal Horse Artillery, together with Col Unett of 3rd Dragoons and Col Key of 16th Dragoons {1854), Col Moore of 6th Lancers, CoI Shewell of 8th Lancers and Mr Jox of Greys (1852). It seems most likely that horses from Horncastle were in the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava in October 1854, as Col Lawrenson bought a number for the 17th Lancers at the 1852 Great August Fair.

http://www.horncastleuk.com/history/and_horsefair.htm

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 01 August 05 03:08 BST (UK) »
Well! Stripe me pink and call me Candy!!What an excellent result to a puzzle,and in such quick time.
Nothing short of fantastic.Bravo!!!
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« Reply #17 on: Monday 01 August 05 03:36 BST (UK) »


Light on a Famous Charge

THEY were not as light on their feet as they had been 40 years earlier and time
had taken its toll on their numbers. But in October 1895 the surviving members of the Charge of the Light Brigade rode, not into the Valley of Death, but into Birmingham.

Ever since that famous and fateful day, back in 1854, the Brigade had met to celebrate and commemorate in equal measure. But this was the first time they had met outside London.

For the members who lived up north the ride to the capital was becoming as arduous as that famous ride in the Crimea. So the capital of the Midlands was an acceptable half-way house and for three of the officers  Sergeant Majors Howes and Dawes and Sergeant Parkinson  it was their home town.

Few exploits of the British army filled the heart with such pride, or the hospital with such casualties, as that blind charge into the face of the Russian guns at Balaclava.

Of the 673 horsemen that had ridden down the valley one third had been killed or injured and three-quarters of the horses lost. But in the popular imagination the
casualties were far higher. This was a war when myth was stronger than statistics, the war of Florence Nightingale and Alfred Lord Tennyson, a war in which heroism took precedence over the niceties of winning and losing.

After all, no one remembers who won the Crimean War, but everyone remembers the Lady of the Lamp and Tennysons great poem.
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.


Once Tennysons poem had been printed, it was pointless for the British army to conceal the fact that the whole thing had been a monumental screw - up
by the generals. Better simply to celebrate the gallantry of the moment.
And so they had continued to celebrate it almost half a century later. By the time the charge had reached Birmingham there were but 54 (plus one or two apologies) left out of the 560 that had survived the Russian guns.
Quartermaster Smith gave a spirited rendition of the poem to round off the evening, but that was the last of many songs, poems and musical interludes that
had taken the celebration late into the night.

The banquet,presided over by the Mayor of Birmingham, was served at the Royal
Hotel, a mammoth nine courses punctuated by reminiscences and fanfares. Certainly the meal took considerably longer to get through than the 25 minutes that the charge itself had lasted. In the middle of the evening General Calthorpe
vividly described the events at Balaclava and the trumpeters of the Balsall Heath
Artillery sounded the four fanfares heard that day in the valley, before the assembled company re-charged their glasses for yet another toast.

There was a reading of The Lady With The Lamp followed by a toast proposed by a veteran of Florence Nightingales nursing at Scutari. The celebrated lady herself sent her apologies in a touching letter.
Fight the good fight she wrote.You are the brave soldiers of God, who loves you

Finally the last toast was followed by the Last Post and all departed into the Birmingham night. They would meet again in 12 months time. Those, at least, who could keep out of that other Valley of Death for another year.

This is a newspaper report of the 1895 Regimental Dinner

Annie
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