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Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« on: Saturday 08 April 17 11:22 BST (UK) »
seeking Richard Shields in either Skipton or Bradford 1792, he was father of George born in 1817 at Skipton who wed  Nancy robertshaw in 1838.
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Re: Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 April 17 11:43 BST (UK) »
Hi there
you're in luck
Richard Fell Shields  2nd son of George Shields of Skipton whitesmith son of Thomas Shields of Middleham cordwainer and Ellen Fell d of Richard Fell late of Grassington cordwainer ? innholder born 15 May 1792 bapt 29 July 1792 at Skipton.
Elder brother George  8.5. /9.6 1784 grandfather Fell victualler.
Elizabeth 6.10.1786 and bapt 10.1.1787
Mary 9.5.1782

The couple married at Skipton 11.6.1781 by licence age 22 and 21.

Burial for George Senior 7.9.1798 died 5th age 42  of consumptoon buried Southside east quarter of Skipton whitesmith.
Ellen died 23.3.1796 buried 27.3.1796 age 36 Southside east quarter consumption.
Richard Fell innholder of Grassington buried at Linton in craven 4.7.1770 and there is a possible will at York.
And his marriage to Mary Demaine of Bolton parish of Skipton was 19.4.1756 at Bolton Abbey but he was from Linton.
Can't see baptism for Ellen of hand.
Thomas Shields shoemaker of Middleham married Elizabeth Rawson  there 16.9.1750 but again can't see a baptism for George.

Sorry if I got a bit carried away.

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Re: Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 April 17 12:07 BST (UK) »
A thousand thanks Ciderdrinker, just to clarify.

Richard Fell Shields born 15 May 1792 bapt 29 July 1792 at Skipton > is the 2nd son of George Shields of Skipton a whitesmith,> who is the  son of Thomas Shields of Middleham a cordwainer and Ellen Fell >who is daughter of Richard Fell late of Grassington cordwainer ? innholder.
Have I got that right ?
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Re: Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 April 17 15:48 BST (UK) »
Sorry to harp on Ciderdrinker , yer not unloved, just misunderstood!
 This looks good for my missing links but im having trouble with these details :

 Elder brother George  8.5. /9.6 1784    Elder brother of Whom ?  8.5/9.6 ??
grandfather Fell victualler.                                                                                                                                                             
Burial for George Senior   7.9.1798 died 5th age 42  of consumption        who is George senior ?
 buried Southside east quarter of Skipton whitesmith.                                                                      .
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Re: Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 April 17 10:08 BST (UK) »
Hi
Right
Richard Sheields is born in 1782 son of George Shields the whitesmith and Ellen Fells.
Grandfathers Thomas Shields and Richard Fell.
George Senior age 42 who died in 1798 of consumption is his dad .
George and Ellen had the following children-Mary 1782,George 1784,Elizabeth 1786 andyour Richard   Fell Shields 1792.

Does that help sort them out?

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Re: Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 12:13 BST (UK) »
Im having no luck furthering this connection.
 marriage to Mary Demaine of Bolton parish of Skipton was 19.4.1756 at Bolton Abbey but he was from Linton.
Can't see baptism for Ellen off hand.
I found a birth record for an Ellen ,father Richard and mother Mary, but 30 years too late!
No joy with any details on Mary Demaine either. Im not in a position to buy certs and doubt that they would reach me by mail in Vietnam; nothing else has!
Apart from buying the certs I need is there some other course I might pursue that could help pin these folk down? I skipped forward to Charles the father of Thomas to see what I could winkle out of the Watermans life, cant be certain but a coot of the same name and trade got nicked for grand larceny, whipped and did porridge for flogging 10 shillings worth of paper he had swiped.

Richard Fell innholder of Grassington buried at Linton in craven 4.7.1770 and there is a possible will at York.
Where might I locate this will please?.
 Battling on. Thanks greatly for your help and expertise.
Richard.


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Re: Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 April 17 12:05 BST (UK) »
Hello again
The Will for Richard Fell of Linton was proven at York Feb 1772.
It can be ordered from the Borthwick Institute in York from here-

http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/remote-services/copying/order-form/

The details are
Richard    Fell
Year    1772
Date    1772, FEB
Place    Linton
County    Yorkshire
Country    England
Court    York Prerogative & Exchequer Courts
Court detail    Exchequer Court of York
Document type    Will
Document reference    vol.116, f.
Index reference    1771011777060072.tif/28
Document ordering    http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/remote-services/copying/order-form/
Record set    Prerogative & Exchequer Courts Of York Probate Index, 1688-1858

I've not ordered from them so i don't know how much it costs etc.
There's no other Richard Fell buried at Linton in 1772 so it does look like him despite the delay in proving the Will.

As for the marriage to Mary Demaine the fact that it was in Bolton Abbey wasn't strange because a couple usually married in the bride's parish not the groom.
Richard Fell was baptised at Linton 12.5.1734 s of Robert Fell of Gris. miner
Sisters Margaret 12.12.1736 .

Robert Fell was buried 19.10.1771 and his Will is also at York Borthwick Institute Robert
Last name    Fell
Year    1772
Date    1772, FEB
Place    Linton
County    Yorkshire
Country    England
Court    York Prerogative & Exchequer Courts
Court detail    Exchequer Court of York
Document type    Will
Document reference    vol.116, f.59
Index reference    1771011777060072.tif/24

Ellen Fell is christened as Ellinor 2 Sep 1759 the child of Richard Fell innholder of Grassington There is a also a child baptised Oct 1761.It is right at the bottom of the  page and the name of the child is unreadable on the digital image .
Other children Robert 20.1.1756, Christopher 21.10.1764,George 29.12.1766,Mary 17.11.1768

Ill see what else I can spot for Mary etc.

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Re: Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 April 17 12:41 BST (UK) »
Thanks again Ciderdrinker
I stumbled onto this :
https://archive.org/stream/registersofparis05lint/registersofparis05lint_djvu.txt
 document searchable by name etc.
  Got Fells aplenty recorded there, sad to see how many wee un's were laid under.
Men were pretty determined that their sons would carry the name forward weren't they.
 The Demaine family is there also but I'll need time to sort out which ones are mine.
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Re: Richard Shields abt 1792, Skipton or Bradford ?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 April 17 12:49 BST (UK) »
Hi
Right I've  found a second marriage for Mary Demaine
In 9.1.1775 she remarried a Jacob Bailey 45 of Grassington widower by licence.
She is described as a widow age 41.
Husband Jacob buried at Linton 18.1.1794  and  there is an Admin again at York Borthwick Institute.
Still can't see a burial for her after that but for a time between the marriages she was running the pub on her own.

That leaves us with a problem as there are 2 possible baptisms at Bolton Abbey that would fit her.
Mary Demaine d of Joseph 10.6.1734
Mary Demaine d of George 24.7.1734

The other married a Joseph Parker 6.8.1753 at Bolton Abbey .
So even if we found a burial for either lady it wouldn't help.

There is no Will for Joseph Demaine but 2 possibles for George Demaine of Skipton  Feb 1798 and Feb 1822 which you could check out again from the Borthwick Institute at York.

I'll take a look at that website you mentioned.

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