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France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« on: Tuesday 11 April 17 03:45 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I suspect this might be a dead end in my research, but I'm trying to track down a baptism record for Anne L'Homme, circa 1710, apparently in Echiselle, France.

She married Jean Mandineau in London in 1736 (he was from Moncoutant, Poitou-Charentes)

I can't find Echiselle anywhere - I'm wondering if it's a typo, an error, or a place that has had a name change. (The information came from family tree documents done some years ago - unfortunately there's no reference as to where this information came from. Possibly something that hasn't yet been digitised?)

Any help much appreciated - I'd love to find out more about my French ancestors, other than the fact that they were Huguenot refugees to London.

Cheers,

Jen

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Re: France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 April 17 15:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Jen

Do you have a document for the marriage in London in 1736 and/or
the baptism entry of Jean Mandineau from Moncoutant, Poitou-Charentes?
Moncoutant belonges to the Département Deux-Sèvres, Poitou-Charentes.

http://archives.deux-sevres.com/archives79/Archivesenligne/Registresparoissiauxetd%C3%A9tatcivil.aspx

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Re: France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 April 17 22:01 BST (UK) »
There are several mentions of them at Threadneedle street:
https://archive.org/stream/registersoffrenc23egli#page/188/mode/2up
Anne Mandineau in 1738 was godmother to the child of Jacques L'Homme and wife Louise.

https://archive.org/stream/registersoffrenc23egli#page/16/mode/2up
Jacques L'Homme of St Martin, L'Isle de France, son of Claude L'Homme and the late Anne Juvin, married Louise Neelz in 1733.
https://archive.org/stream/registersoffrenc23egli#page/14/mode/2up
In 1731 married two Claudes - one, a widower, the other, son of Claude L'Homme and Anne Juvin.

https://archive.org/stream/livredestesmoign2116egli#page/178/mode/2up
 - here are mentioned in the 1700s several L'Hommes including an Anne, aged 22 (as of 29 July 1724) born St Martin en Gaulle.

From the explanatory  records for this document, the most likely place referred to as "St-Martin" is modern-day "Saint-Martin-de-Nigelles" in Eure-et-Loir, and the record relates to her full admission into the church as an adult,
https://archive.org/stream/livredestesmoign2116egli#page/n51/mode/2up
https://archive.org/stream/livredestesmoign2116egli#page/n19/mode/2up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Martin-de-Nigelles
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Re: France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 April 17 09:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you both!

That gives me a couple of leads to explore.

I've searched through loads of old maps of France and can't find L'Echiselle anywhere - though according to the family tree information we have, it was north of Paris, so those L'Homme family members appear to have originated from the right general area.

Fascinating!

Thanks all,
Jx

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Re: France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 July 17 15:56 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Can you provide a picture of the original record mentioning her place of origin ?

Coud it be Ecluzelles, near Dreux ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cluzelles

David


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Re: France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 23:47 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Can you provide a picture of the original record mentioning her place of origin ?

Coud it be Ecluzelles, near Dreux ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cluzelles


David


Hi David,

Thank you for your reply - unfortunately, I have no idea what primary source material this information came from. It's written in the text of a book that some family members wrote in 1997 outlining our Huguenot heritage, but unfortunately this particular section is not referenced in any way. The only other information I have is that it was north of Paris, and the family were involved in silk weaving and lace making. Ecluzelles does fit geograhpically, in that case, and I can see how it could be misheard as "Echiselle".

At any rate, thank you so much - It's definitely a lead I will follow up on. I will look into the records further and see if I can find anything about the family.

Cheers,

Jen

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Re: France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 July 17 00:31 BST (UK) »
There is no entry on Geneanet for a L'HOMME family in Ecluzelles but there are plenty of L'HOMMES in the area.
Not sure that her baptism got registered yet.

http://epuf-chartres.fr/pr%C3%A9sence-protestante-en-eure-et-loir-au-cours-des-si%C3%A8cles

La résistance, sans être aussi spectaculaire que dans d’autres régions, n’en fut pas moins réelle.
On a trouvé trace d’un certain nombre de cas individuels d’émigration. Mais les recherches systématiques faites dans les pays du refuge n’ont pas permis de retrouver beaucoup d’originaires d’Eure et Loir. L’émigration n’a donc été ni massive ni systématique.
Il y a par contre eu nombre de récalcitrants, on a ainsi pu calculer, d’après les archives, que les baptêmes et mariages catholiques ont été assez massivement boycottés dans certaines zones, le déplacement à l’ambassade des Pays Bas était toujours possible à défaut d’être facile. Quant aux enterrements clandestins, ils semblent avoir été fréquents.


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Re: France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 August 17 06:02 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I've just stumbled across the marriage record for Jean Mandineau and Anne L'Homme on Ancestry - I'm not sure if it's newly digitised or if I just haven't managed to find it before now, but this is where I suspect the "Echiselle" comes from. I hope it's ok to put a small snipped image up here (I know I can't attach the entire scanned image because of copyright). Looking at this image (and the addition of "L'Isle de France" does Ecluzelles still seem a possibility?

(I have added them as attachments....not sure if this will work or not. The text spans two lines, hence the two separate snipped images, and reads "[...] "le marriage de Jean Mandineau originaire de Moncoutant en Poitou et de Anne L'Homme native d'Echiselle en L'Isle de France. [...])


Not sure if it's likely to help any but I realised I also have the names of Anne's sisters: they were Denise, Christine, and Marianne, and they all settled in Bethnal Green in London (they appear on various baptism records for the children of Jean and Anne)

Thanks for your help thus far,

Jenni


PS If you click on the first image, you can see the part that says "d'Echiselle." It's cut off in the thumbnail but it is there :-)

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Re: France: Anne L'Homme, born Echiselle
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 August 17 13:39 BST (UK) »
In those days Isle de France was Mauritius;
Léoville L'Homme , poet born in Mauritus in 1857. Apparently there a L'homme family in Mauritius.

But I cannot find any ECHISELLE village, hamlet or town .

Where were born the sisters?
Can you give the link where you found "Anne l'homme native d'Echiselle, Isle de France"?

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