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Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« on: Friday 14 April 17 10:05 BST (UK) »
Was just wondering if anyone could help re. locating a marriage in the US,probably New York but not certain.

It concerns a Patrick Brennan whom I knew died in 1914 after emigrating to the USA but of whom I was unaware he ever married.
Found a record recently on Family Search giving the details of a Patrick Brennan(age 38) of 223 East 23rd St. who died 23rd April 1914 New York City, Richmond, New York, United States.It states his parents were Philip Brennan and Margaret Nolan.Born 10th November 1875 and that he was married.
Would be pretty certain that this person is the same one as in my tree.Correct parents,date of death same as memory card here.Only difference is birth as I have him born October 1871 from baptismal records in Dunleckney Parish Carlow.
Have had no luck re. a marriage with Irish records and the family search record has no attached image.
Was wondering if anyone could point me in any direction that might yield a record.Not really interested in pay sites as this is a distant relative and at this stage have much of my tree completed.

Thanks for reading.
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Brennan Keeffe(Carlow)
O'Neill, O'Connor, Burbridge, Casey (Dublin)

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Re: Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 April 17 11:36 BST (UK) »
If he married in New York City, there is a groom's index at www.italiangen.org.  With such a common name, it might help to find when he emigrated to narrow down the time frame and to see if there was a specific address that he was going to.  If he was in the US in 1910, it might help to find him on the census, which is available on Family Search.

It's unlikely you will find an actual NYC marriage record from that time frame online.

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Re: Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 April 17 12:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that.

To be honest have no idea as to when he left Ireland.Assume it would be after 1890 or so going by his birth as being either 1871 or 1875.None of his siblings left Ireland so imagine he was 18 or so before he left.
He is not with his family on 1901 Irish Census.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Agha/Rathedon/1038537/

And no real possibilities elsewhere in Ireland that seem even plausible so assuming he left between 1890 or so and before 1901.
There is no record of him marrying in Ireland that I can find but of course its always a possibility he married in Dublin etc after leaving Carlow and before going to the US.

Commemorated here on family headstone;

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Dunleckney_Graves_incriptions.pdf



Erected to the Memory of Philip Brennan of Ratheadon who
depd this Life March 15th 1840 aged 60 yrs. Also his Beloved
wife Mary Brennan who depd this Life March 20th 1861 aged
75 years. Also his son Thomas Brennan depd this life Nov 2nd
1839 aged 26 years. Also his son John Brennan Depd this life
July 2nd 1847 aged 22 years. And also his daughter Elizabeth
Dowling depd this life Aug 5th 1860 aged 40 yrs.
Erected in Loving Memory of Philip Brennan, Ratheadon who
died 5th April 1875 aged 56 yrs. Also his daughter Mary died
21st Nov 1894 aged 21 yrs. His son Michael died 3rd Oct 1914
aged 47 yrs. His son Patrick died in U.S. America 22nd April
1914, aged 40 yrs. Also his wife Margaret Brennan died 18th
Nov 1919 aged 83 yrs. His son John Brennan died 17th June
1942 aged 79 yrs


Love the way age's were so fluid at that time.He was 38 on US death cert(1875),40 on headstone(born 1873)42 on his memory card (1872)and Baptised in 1871.
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Brennan Keeffe(Carlow)
O'Neill, O'Connor, Burbridge, Casey (Dublin)

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Re: Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 April 17 03:21 BST (UK) »
Additional details from the death record
Event place - New York City, Richmond, New York
Address - 223 East 23rd Street
Residence place - NYC
Occupation - Clerk
Cemetery - Calvary

1914 New York, New York, City Directory, page 148
Patrick Brennan   Writer  h223 E22d
  Could this be the same man as above? 

1915 New York, New York, City Directory
Kath Brennan  (wid Patk)  h413 E22nd
   Could this be his wife, moving down the block a bit after his death?

1913 New York Directory
Patrick Brennan  clerk  h223 E22nd
Kath/Cath Brennan (at the above address) is not shown in the 1914 nor the 1913 directory

1912 New York Directory
Patrick Brennan   Writer  h223 E22d

1911 New York Directory
Patrick Brennan  watchman   h223 E22d

1910 New York Directory
Patrick Brennan  watchman  h 165 E113th  and another one h 129 3d av

1910 District 0974, Manhattan Ward 18, New York
Patrick Brennan, age 32, marriage 1, married 4 years.  Born Ireland as were parents.  Immigrated 1906(?)  Watchman, Express? Company
Catherine, wife, age 30
Patrick Jr., son, age 1
Address:  223 22nd Street East

Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 April 17 03:30 BST (UK) »
I have to leave for a bit, but could this be Catherine and her children in 1920 (I'm not taking the time to check the details; apologies if it is for a different Brennan family).   ;)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRXC-DS8?mode=g&i=25&cc=1488411
Catherine Brennan and her three children.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 April 17 04:08 BST (UK) »
Back for a moment:
Patrick's wife could have been named Katherine Woods.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 April 17 05:38 BST (UK) »
Wow thats a lot of info so thank you.

Looking at the 1920 census see that Catherine Brennan is a widow with 3 children, Patrick, Mary and Philip.
Know that the Patrick Brennan I am looking at was the son of a Philip Brennan.His Grandfather was also Philip and he had both a nephew and grandnephew of the same name.
Can I ask how you might think he maiden name was Woods.
If this is the correct person then according to her 1920 census she was born in Ireland but has no immigration year.
Found 16 Catherine Woods on Irish 1901 census unmarried and of about the approximate age but none really stand out for any reason .Of course a whole load of Kate's,Kathys etc so may have a look when I get time.
Nothing showing up for any marriage in Ireland for  Patrick Brennan to any Catherine,Katherine,Kate etc during the relevant  period so assuming they married in US.

Regarding the New York addresses,have no idea of relative areas ,distances etc
Must look at later US census returns and see if I can find them.Catherine Mary and Patrick are very common names but Philip less so.

Thanks again as felt this was a total dead end until your info.
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Brennan Keeffe(Carlow)
O'Neill, O'Connor, Burbridge, Casey (Dublin)

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Re: Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 15 April 17 06:50 BST (UK) »
One of the pay sites has a social security application/claims index for Philip (Patrick's son).  Supposedly, his parents were Patrick Brennan and Katherine Woods and "this" Philip was born January 1914, New York City.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Patrick Brennan;died 23rd April 1914 in New York.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 15 April 17 07:32 BST (UK) »
Looking at the pay site again (using different searches this time), all three children from the 1920 census have social security applications/claims indexes and the mother's name was written down as Katherine/Kate Woods.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)