Edmund SALTER

[candrjm]

Quote "Edmund was listed as my grandmother's father on her marriage certificate, even though her maiden name was Elizabeth Morris?? As always, it gets complicated, and i cannot find her birth after years of trying."

What year was Elizabeth Morris born?

Is this them in the 1891 census?

http://tinyurl.com/m2sk2xl

if so the Edmund aged 4 in this census looks to be this one:

SALTER, EDMUND        mother's maiden name MORRIS      
GRO Reference: 1885  S Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 685


Just a thought but I was wondering if the Elizabeth Clark aged 9 on this census might be your Elizabeth Morris

[Luckytibby]

Hi Candrjm

Many thanks for your reply and information. I think this is definately the right family as Edmund Snr was a plasterer (marriage cert info). Maybe this Elizabeth Clark is really my Elizabeth Morris after all, although i still cannot find a birth under that name in the right place. Of all the censuses i have ever come across, the only constant information seems to be that she was born in Wellington, Shropshire. On the 1939 register she gives her date of birth as 5th April 1884, but i cannot say if that is true or not. Edmund Salter Snr left a will in 1894 leaving his pennies to Sarah Morris for the upkeep of children Nellie and Edmund, but strangely he doesn't mention my Elizabeth.

Luckytibby

[Alberbury]

https://familysearch.org

1841 C    Uppington   Alberbury

Francis Salter      M   40-44   Montgomeryshire
Jane Salter      F   40-44   
Richd Salter      M   15-19   Montgomeryshire
Edmd Salter      M   10   Montgomeryshire
Lucy Salter      F   12   Montgomeryshire
Thos Salter      M   7   Montgomeryshire
Hariot Salter      F   4   Montgomeryshire
Jane Salter      F   0   Montgomeryshire


1891 C   Robin Hood Terrace      St. Michaels   Shrewsbury

Edmund Salter   Head   M   59   Plasterer        Shropshire, England
Sarah Salter   Wife   F   40                        Shropshire, England
Nellie Salter   Daughter   F   7                Shropshire, England
Edmund Salter   Son   M   4                        Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Clark   Boarder   F   9                Shropshire, England



Name   Thomas Henry Wildblood
Birth Date   1883
Age   29
Spouse's Name   Nellie Salter
Spouse's Birth Date   1883
Spouse's Age   29
Event Date   19 May 1912
Event Place   St. Michael'S, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Father's Name   Thomas George Wildblood
Spouse's Father's Name   Edmund Salter

[Alberbury]

http://www.sfhs.org.uk/forum/birth-place-elizabeth-morris

1881 - Edmund Salter is lodging at Wrekin Road, also lodging is Sarah Morris

1881 C     Wrekin Road    Wellington     Shropshire

Priscilla Evans   Head           F                   54                       Eastwall, Shropshire, England
Edmund Salter   Lodger   M                   49                       Albrighton, Shropshire, England
Sarah Morris   Lodger   F                   28   Dressmaker   Wellington, Shropshire, England
William Joseph Morgan   Lodger M Single   40                       Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Thomas Smith   Lodger   M                   15                        Onibury, Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Davies   Nurse Child   F             7                        Wellington, Shropshire, England
Clara Priscilla Dodson   Grandchild   F             7                        Wellington, Shropshire, England


Edmund Salter born 1830 Albrighton or Alberbury 

[Luckytibby]

Two years ago i asked a question about Edmund SALTER from Alberbury. A rootschat member called CIDERDRINKER gave me useful information from the 1891 Census saying that Edmund SALTER's partner was Sarah ROWSE. (the surname ROWSE being Sarah's maiden name). This information has now become very important to me as the name ROUSE has today cropped up from other research.

So my question today is.... How can i tell that Sarah's maiden name is ROWSE from looking at the 1891 census? I just can't work it out. Any help very gratefully received.... especially from CIDERDRINKER if you are still out there please

[candrjm]

If this is the 1891 census?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W94G-HPZ

Nellie was recorded aged 7 so born c1884

There is this birth reg:

SALTER, NELLIE        mothers maiden name ROWSE     
GRO Reference: 1883  M Quarter in LISKEARD  Volume 05C  Page 48

but this childs birth was registered in Liskeard Cornwall and the census above records Nellie's birth place as Shropshire


so this child was probably the daughter of this couple:

Marriages Mar 1882 

ROWSE    Kate         Liskeard    5c   72   
SALTER    William         Liskeard    5c   72    

[Ladyhawk]

 I think this is definately the right family as Edmund Snr was a plasterer (marriage cert info).

Edmund Salter Snr left a will in 1894 leaving his pennies to Sarah Morris for the upkeep of children Nellie and Edmund, but strangely he doesn't mention my Elizabeth.

Who did Edmund marry?
Who witnessed their marriage?

1891 C   Robin Hood Terrace      St. Michaels   Shrewsbury

Edmund Salter   Head   M   59   Plasterer        Shropshire, England
Sarah Salter   Wife   F   40                        Shropshire, England
Nellie Salter   Daughter   F   7                Shropshire, England
Edmund Salter   Son   M   4                        Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Clark   Boarder   F   9                Shropshire, England

Is this the same family on 1901 c?

RG13; Piece: 2537; Folio: 33; Page: 26

Sarah Morris   wid 50 Wellington, Shropshire charwoman
Lizzie Morris   21 Wellington, Shropshire
Nelly Morris   18 St Michael’s Shrewsbury
Edmond Morris   15 St George’s Shrewsbury

1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X728-LGB
Sarah Morris   Widow 58   Wellington, Shropshire charwoman
Nellie Morris   Daughter   27   Wellington, Shropshire

There’s this Bpt.index

Nellie Salber Baptism    1 Feb 1883 St. Alkmund, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Father:   Edmund Salber Mother:   Sarah

and there’s this birth entry

Nelly SALTER mmn WOOD 
 1883  M Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 686

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Marriage?

Q2 1873    Wellington Vol 6a p1486

Thomas John Morris
Sarah Wood

[Ladyhawk]

Marriage?

Q2 1873    Wellington Vol 6a p1486

Thomas John Morris
Sarah Wood

Don’t know if these are possible children from the above marriage, not found them on census

MORRIS, CAROLINE    mmn   WOOD 
 1881  D Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 670

MORRIS, ELIZABETH    mmn   WOOD 
1877  S Quarter in ATCHAM  Volume 06A  Page 680