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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 22 April 17 06:16 BST (UK) »
There's lots of information available for Auguste's children as adults and his grandchildren.  I searched using google.co.uk and the only item about him was a mention of an obit on French Ancestry.  I don't have a world-wide sub so am unable to access that.

With Paul's permission I have opened a thread on the London board in hopes that we might be able to access the fraud trial in 1834.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770024.msg6225953#msg6225953

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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 22 April 17 07:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Judith,
I was looking at genealogy in Reunion there are numerous Lauret's there and have a feeling this might be the link, but still searching for it.
There a lot of information on Theodore Werner at the University of Catalonia, it appears he was there late 1920's till his death in 1927 playing with Nadal Puig. Found a few pictures on a Spanish blog site which i have put a link up to. Just wondering if he met Dali as he was painted in 1925 in Stiges, not sure by whom.
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Paul Williams
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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 22 April 17 07:39 BST (UK) »
This is what I have found on the London Metropolitan Archives site which is the repository for Clerkenwell court papers.

AUGUSTE PIERE DE' LAURET, accused by GEORGE WILLIAM COURTNEY who lives with his father, THOMAS COURTNEY, CHINA MAN, of 34 OLD BOND STREET, of defrauding them out of a full dinner service, which he had ordered supposedly on behalf of a french Count. 
REFERENCE CODE:  MJ/SP/1834/06/010
FROM COLLECTION: - MIDDLESEX SESSIONS OF THE PEACE: COURT IN SESSION  / - SESSIONS PAPERS   / - PAPERS FOR 1834    / - JUNE

Unfortunately this document can only be viewed at the LMA.

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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 22 April 17 12:53 BST (UK) »
http://www.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/anom/fr/
 - some french records from Pondicherry are available online, I had a quick look and found something possibly interesting:

12 November 1811, baptism of Auguste du Laurens, it is hard to read but I think it says he is the natural (e.g. illegitimate) child of Louis du Laurens and the widow A?? du Rosaire, born 22 April? The baptismal sponsors were Baron Gilles Phillipe de F? de M?ville, and Dame Jeanne St Romaine de F? de M?ville

Didn't dig too much into the records yet - the site is a bit awkward to use and keeps complaining to me about java, I've attached the baptismal record here in two parts.
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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 22 April 17 22:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Jorose,
Many Thanks for this opens up different leads as to father and mother? now.
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Paul Williams
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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 22 April 17 22:36 BST (UK) »
Louis Edmond Charles BALEINE du LAURENS

http://gw.geneanet.org/pierfit?lang=fr&p=louis+edmond+charles&n=baleine+du+laurens&oc=1

Laurens is a charming medieval village in Hérault in the Languedoc Roussillon region of France. It is one of the main wine-producing villages of the outstanding 'Faugères' region and is typical of the small villages in this area. It is a 'working' village with a large number of villagers being involved in wine production. Inhabitants of Laurens are called Laurentiens.

Baleine translates as Whale in English.

And strangely being a geologist: The Canadian Shield—also called the Laurentian Plateau, Laurentian Shield came to mind.



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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #42 on: Monday 24 April 17 00:30 BST (UK) »
http://greatwarreading.blogspot.com.au/2015_05_01_archive.html

Boomerang
This epic novel, written in 1931 and published in 1932, reads like a combination of the historical narrative of a Who Do You Think You Are? feature and the eccentricity of Georges Perec’s Life: A User's Manual. It was the winning novel in 1932 in the prestigious James Tait Black Memorial Prize awards, also won by Liam O'Flaherty, Kate O'Brien and Winifred Holtby, each of whom feature in this project. In this impressive novel the author builds on her own actual ancestry, in particular on the family of her aristocratic French maternal grandfather, Auguste Pierre Clement de Guerry de Lauret, who was born in the French colonial outpost of Pondicherry in 1810. Through this device, she explores English, French and Australian history in the 19th and early 20th centuries, culminating in Australia’s participation in the Great War. The boomerang of the title is a way of explaining how she had come full circle back to the ancestral home in Artois on the Western Front. It also conveys warfare and the narrative includes sections concerned with the Peninsular War and the Franco-Prussian War as well as the First World War.

The author, Helen de Guerry Simpson (born 1 December 1897), was the daughter of a Sydney solicitor and the novel includes some legal cases where the narrator, Clotilde de Boissy, describes family members pursuing careers in law. Indeed the author has used many aspects of her own family history as a framework for the plot of the novel. Whereas she maintains in the foreword that “the characters throughout are either imaginary or dead”, in a sense many of them were somewhat based on actual characters in her own family history. For example, her appreciation of Irish characters in Australian society was no doubt influenced by a knowledge of the relatives on the side of her maternal grandmother, Anna Maria Lett, from Co. Wexford. In addition, she gleaned a few actual events for use in the plot and explained that “of the various incidents related in the book, some of the more improbable are true”. A key autobiographical element of the novel is the presence of the narrator in Europe during the First World War: the author went to England in 1914 to study. Having been reading French at Oxford, in April 1918 she joined the Women's Royal Naval Service as an officer responsible for deciphering and decoding messages in foreign languages.

The narrator’s grandfather had in the outback of Australia requested that her father, the eldest son, would go to France to fight in the Franco-Prussian War. When he refused, he was ostracised and the patriarch himself went to Europe with the intention of protecting the honour of his fatherland. By the time he reached Bordeaux, though, “the war was over, humiliating terms of peace were being added up into a treaty... and France, like a woman in hysteria, was drumming her heels on the ground and shrieking that it was everyone else's fault”. He ended up dying in a duel with an officer of the German army of occupation that he had earlier assaulted, insisting that “the uniform he wears is a challenge and an insult to every Frenchman.” Just as her grandfather was useless to the war effort, so also in the First World War was Clotilde’s aristocratic English husband, who she had met on board a ship, he having been invalided home from India suffering from asthma. When determinedly he came up before an army board, doctors “could hear him whistling rooms away... they were not going to hand out combatant jobs to a fellow who... ought to be wearing a tube in his throat”. Ultimately, therefore, it fell to Clotilde to return to her ancestral homeland to contribute to the war effort as part of a Women's Interpreter Corps. There she encounters an Australian doctor, who she had met in England, and visits him on the battle line, witnessing his death in a futile minor campaign to secure a useless trench. He explains to her,
“There's an attack down for tomorrow morning. The blasted fools are going to make a set at Grease Trench.”

“What's that? Is it important?"
“Important, of course it isn't. It's a bit of a salient that spoils the look of their maps.”
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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #43 on: Monday 24 April 17 07:55 BST (UK) »
Sorry - we (I  ::))seem to have muddied the waters somewhat now with information being on both threads.

Here's a transcript from
London Courier and Evening Gazette, 22 May 1834
COMMITTAL OF THE FRENCH SWINDLER
Auguste Pierre de Noni, alias Count d'Pron, alias the Chevalier de Lounet was committed by trial for obtaining, by false representations, a valuable dinner and tea service of china, of Mr Courtenay, 34 Old Bond St, under the circumstances already stated in our paper of Tuesday.
The same paragraph is also reported in
The Morning Post (London, England), Thursday, May 22, 1834

Seems to me that the Pondicherry birth findings put up by Jorose explain a lot!!  He seems to have moved in somewhat exalted circles, but I'm not quite sure he was actually entitled to use all those aliases.  However he certainly appears to have been on the straight and narrow once he arrived in Oz.

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Re: Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
« Reply #44 on: Monday 24 April 17 08:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Judith,
I have found two daughters that became nuns, both born in 1862 but no mention of twins.

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Paul Williams
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