Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911

[scotmum]

Yes on the marriage certificate for Williamina to Donald Fulton, her mother is noted as deceased.  Have checked out death certificate and it has her husband as ALexander Stewart.  I have found a marriage between Elspet Young (21) and James Stewart (22) on 18/1/1868 at Newhills, Aberdeen.  she may have remarried another Stewart but I can't find it

Who registered the death of the Elspet in St Nicholas district? It is always a possibility that the person doing so, gave incorrect information.

An Elspet Stuart, born Fyvie, Aberdeen, aged 32, head, dressmaker, married is in the 1881 census at St Nicholas district, Aberdeen with daughter Williamina Stuart, aged 8, listed as born South America and another daughter, Ann Stuart, aged 1, listed as born Glasgow. There is another female boarding with the family.

[dorothy taylor]

Elspet died age 47 in the east poorhouse, Aberdeen.  Her sister in law, Margaret Young registered the death

[scotmum]

The boarder in 1881 with the Stuart household was a Janet McKay, aged 36, cloth cutter. Now, coincidence or otherwise, but I'll post it here anyhow, just in case, as it turned up when searching for an American born Williamina (and variations) in Scotland, without using surname:

in 1891, Inverness, there is a household with the head an Isabella MacKay and including two 16yr old American born daughters, one of whom is named Williamina MacKay.

This could be a red herring, but at this stage, anything and everything is worth checking.

[dorothy taylor]

Think it may be a long shot, but coincidentally my maternal gggrandmother is Isabella McNeil or Mckay from Stirling

[scotmum]

What parents names were listed for the Elspet who died in St Nicholas district?

There is a potential 1851 and 1861 census to match the Elspet Stuart of the 1881 census.

It is an Elspet Young, born Fyvie, 1849. In the 1851, she is at home with her widowed father Alexander Young and various siblings, including a brother, Gordon. In 1861, she and Gordon are working away from home, but in the same household.

[dorothy taylor]

father Alexander, farm servant, mother Ann nee summers

[scotmum]

father Alexander, farm servant, mother Ann nee summers

Then the Elspet of the St Nicholas district death, also looks to have been born at Fyvie:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k07/

and had a, what seems to be, twin brother, Gordon (amongst other siblings, who also seem to match the 1851 census).


Have you checked the 1868 James Stewart to Elspet Young marriage to see what parent names are listed on that?

[Forfarian]

Someone posted earlier re Williamina being born in Brazil that she found out from the census but then thought it was a mistake, where had they found this information please

scotmum posted from a transcription that Charles was English
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770210.msg6228577#msg6228577

Monica looked at another transcription and posted that Williamina was born in Brazil. See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770210.msg6229218#msg6229218

Then scotmum realised that (uncharacteristically) she hadn't noticed the place of birth information further down the page
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770210.msg6229483#msg6229483

So no-one has actually said anything about Williamina not being born in Brazil.

[Forfarian]

They were admitted 1/7/1903

I take it that means 1 July 1903 (UK style) rather than 7 July 1903 (US style).  So would it be reasonable to suppose that the parents had separated or otherwise encountered disaster by 1 July 1903?

Then it would also be logical that Alice, aged just 3, would have been boarded out at the same time?

Who registered the death of Alice's twin Williamina in 1902? If it was Charles, we know that he was alive when Williamina Jr died. If it was not Charles, does Williamina Jr's death certificate say that he was deceased? This could potentially greatly narrow the time when we need to look for Charles' death.