Grace Philip

[Robair]

I am trying to find thee birth record of one of my extended family, Grace Philip. Her father was David Philip (Scottish), one of my great-uncles and her mother was Alice Philip (English). I would also like to know Alice's maiden name.

Grace said she was born in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England on 24 May 1907 but neither Portsmouth CC nor Hampshire CC have any record of her - nor has any ancestry site I have tried. I do have record of her emigrating with her parents to the USA (Scammon, Kansas) from Dundee, Scotland, via Glasgow and NY in 1912 and record of their arrival in Ellis Island. They did reach Scammon but the parents died in the 1917 'flu epidemic, leaving Grace a 10 year old orphan in a strange country - and apparently without documents.   I would like to find the record of her birth (possibly in London) in 1907 and to know her mother's maiden name which would lead to finding more information. Can anyone help?   Rob

[forte]

If your David is David Thomson Philip b abt 1864 in Logie Buchan Aberdeenshire he married Alice MONKTON 3rd qtr 1898 in Islington 1B 597 which is where Alice was born abt 1864.
They appear to have at least three children by 1911 George W, David C and Alice J b abt 1905.
They can be found on 1911 census but we can't give details here.

[dawnsh]

Only 3 names on the 1912 passenger list

David aged 40, Alice 39 and Grace 4

Uncle James Craidan of 68 Hill Street Dundee is named as the nearest relative.

Having an only child aged 4 when the mother is 39 seems a bit odd to me for that day and age.

[Robair]

Thank you very much for your reply. Regrettably this is not them. My great-uncle David (no middle name) was born in Forfar in 1869 but then "disappears" from the Scottish records some time around 1890 then reappears in Dundee in the 1911 census on his way to the US with Alice and Grace.  Many thanks for your help, though.  Rob

[Robair]

Yes, thank you. That is them. I have that record from Scotland's People census (am I allowed to say that?) as well as their arrival in Ellis Island NY in 1912.  David and Alice were apparently married in 1906 somewhere in England and had a child before Grace but who didn't survive.  I have not yet found the record of the marriage nor of the first child. They  apparently had a third child - born in the USA around 1914/5 but he (Roy?) died with his parents inn the great 'flu epidemic. Grace went on to marry and had three sons. I am in touch with the surviving family.  Many thanks for your help though

[dawnsh]

as the person who started the topic, you can post any vital information.

I can only see the 1911 Scotland free index, where is "Gracie" said to have been born?

[Robair]

Hi and thank you. Grace (this 1911 census is the only instance of her ever being called "Gracie) always said she was born in Portsmouth, Hampshire, but I can (so far) find no documentary corroboration of that.  Thanks for trying to help. Rob

[groom]

Strangely the passenger list transcription on Ancestry gives her place of birth as Portsmouth, but I can't see how they got this as it isn't on the image, that just says England and gives her age as 4, which would be a birth about 1908.

[dawnsh]

on the 1911 census, what is her place of birth?