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Re: Grace Philip
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 29 April 17 20:30 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your help. Excellent The man's name is George Hodgson - and now I know that he was Alice's brother.  His wife, Hetty, corresponded with my grandmother and through her, my gran found Grace.  Hetty was indeed George's second wife - and he was her second husband.   

It may be that Grace was remembering her birthday and place of birth correctly in that their passage may well have been arranged before her birthday in 1912.

I can now find more on Alice Hodgson.   Thanks again.   Grace's sons will be pleased too.

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« Reply #28 on: Saturday 29 April 17 21:47 BST (UK) »
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It may be that Grace was remembering her birthday and place of birth correctly in that their passage may well have been arranged before her birthday in 1912.

Just a thought re her age. Could it be that children under a certain age travelled free, so if they had said she was 5 they would have had to pay for her?

Doesn't explain why we can't find her birth though, unless as I suggested earlier she was registered under her mother's name.
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« Reply #29 on: Saturday 29 April 17 22:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks - but I think it more likely that since her uncle arranged and paid for their passage to the US, it was done when Grace was still only 4.   It would be useful if I could find where George and Alice Hodgson lived when they were young. The surname seems to be most common around the Yorkshire to Northumberland areas

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« Reply #30 on: Saturday 29 April 17 22:59 BST (UK) »
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Thanks - but I think it more likely that since her uncle arranged and paid for their passage to the US, it was done when Grace was still only 4.

Possibly, but wouldn't they have wanted the age of the child when the voyage took place? Are the parents' ages out by a year also, they would be if the trip had been arranged a year earlier.
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« Reply #31 on: Sunday 30 April 17 07:46 BST (UK) »
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Re: Grace Philip
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 30 April 17 07:47 BST (UK) »
Attestation records 8th Sept 1890 for David Philip age 20 who joined Royal Artillery at Leith Fort - place of birth Forfar -father David

1st April 1902 attested to No 16 Company RGA

Fathers address 100 Caldrum Street, Dundee
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Re: Grace Philip
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 30 April 17 08:18 BST (UK) »
If David was in the Royal Artillery could he and Alice have married overseas and Grace also born overseas?

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« Reply #34 on: Sunday 30 April 17 09:34 BST (UK) »
My gut instinct has this scenario, especially because of the ages of her parents in 1912.

Around 1906 David is serving in Portsmouth and meets Alice who is already married. She becomes pregnant and Grace is born and registered under her mother's name. Alice takes David's name but they are unable to marry. Grace also takes her father's name. This would explain why we can't find a marriage or birth registration. I do think Grace was born in Portsmouth as it is very definite on the passenger list. I wouldn't believe everything they put on the 1911, we all know how often a marriage is invented or dates moved to fit the age of a child.

The only way I can see to prove or disprove this idea would be to work through all the babies called Grace registered Portsmouth second and perhaps third quarter 1907 and eliminate them.
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Re: Grace Philip
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 30 April 17 13:41 BST (UK) »
I wonder if it would be worth getting Alice's brother's George death certificate as it might show where he was born and his parents' names.

From freebmd I have taken all the Grace girls registered in 1907 and 8 in Portsmouth and put their surnames into the GRO index to see if any have the mother's maiden name as Hodgson. They didn't, I only did the Grace girls with no second name.