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Agnes Wyllie b. abt 1801 Dublin. Can't find her birth.
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 20:33 BST (UK) »
I'm having some difficulty in tracing my 4x great-grandmother's birth her name was Agnes Wyllie or Wylie. The vast majority of my ancestors are from Scotland until I came across Agnes.

I have a lot of info on Agnes from Scottish records. Bear with me as I have quite a lot. Thought I'd include them in this post as you never know what may be useful.

I have her parents names but I'm struggling to find anything on them either. In either the British or Irish records on findmypast. Ideally would like to find her siblings and parents of her parents hence the question. Would also like to know if she was indeed born in Dublin just to complete research on her. Feel a bit stuck.

This is what I have for her so far;

(note, all the records I have for her are Scottish)

Her death certificate -
Agnes Valentine, widow of James Valentine.
Aged: 79
Date of death: 17th Feb 1881, Parish of Fordoun, Kincardineshire, Scotland. .
Name of father; George Wyllie
Name of mother; Ann Wyllie m.s. Dick
Informant; David McPherson - Son-in-Law

Marriage record - She married James Valentine on the 26th Jan 1828 in Fordoun Parish, Kincardineshire, Scotland. The marriage record states that they were both of this parish.

They had the following children, all born Kincardineshire, Scotland;

Betty 1828 (Strange to have a Betty and an Elizabeth?)
Elisabeth 1830
John 1833
William 1836
Helen 1838
Joseph 1842

All children and the marriage are registered under the Church of Scotland old parish records.

I have census records for Agnes also, it is in these that states her place of birth as Dublin, Ireland.

Scotland 1841 census

Piece: SCT1841/265 Place: Marykirk -Kincardineshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Marykirk Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 7 Page: 11
Address: Luthermuir

Surname       First name(s)       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
 VALENTINE       James       M       70       Carter        Kincardineshire           
 VALENTINE       Agnes       F       40               Outside Census County (1841)           
 VALENTINE       William       M       5               Kincardineshire           
 VALENTINE       Ellen               F       2               Kincardineshire

I guess the other children must've been boarded out or passed away? Ellen will be Helen.


Scotland 1851 Census

Piece: SCT1851/265 Place: Marykirk -Kincardineshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Marykirk Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Luthermuir
Folio: 192 Page: 1 Schedule: 1
Address: Luthermuir Village

        Surname       First name(s)       Rel       Status       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        VALENTINE       Agnes       Head       W       F       49       Pauper House Servant        Ireland - Dublin           
        VALENTINE       Elisabeth       Dau       U       F       21       Linen Yarn Winder        Kincardineshire - Marykirk           
        VALENTINE       Helen       Dau       -       F       12       Scholar        Kincardineshire - Marykirk           
        VALENTINE       Joseph       Son       -       M       7       Scholar        Kincardineshire - Marykirk           
        JOLLY       David       Grnson       -       F       2               Kincardineshire - Marykirk           
        ROBERTSON       Ann       Lodger       -       F       59       Pauper House Servant        Kincardineshire - Fettercairn       

1841 and 1851 are from FreeCen.

Scotland 1861 Census

Name:   Agnes Vallentine
Age:   59
Estimated birth year:   abt 1802
Relationship:   Head
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Dublin, Ireland
Registration Number:   265
Registration district:   Marykirk
Civil Parish:   Marykirk
County:   Kincardineshire
Address:   13 Luthermuir
Occupation:   Linen Winder
ED:   8
Household schedule number:   13
LINE:   13
Roll:   CSSCT1861_35

and finally the 1871 Census

Name:   Agnes Willie
Age:   69
Estimated birth year:   abt 1802
Relationship:   Mother-in-law
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Dublin, Ireland
Registration Number:   259
Registration district:   Fordoun
Civil Parish:   Fordoun
County:   Kincardineshire
Address:   Westerton Pittarow
ED:   5
Household schedule number:   27
LINE:   14
Roll:   CSSCT1871_45
Household Members:   
Name   Age
David Mcpherson   34
Helen Mcpherson   52
Christina Mcpherson   9
Agnes Mcpherson   8
Hellen Mcpherson   6
Jessie Mcpherson   4
Agnes Willie   69
James Enolen   3


Hopefully someone can help me track this lady down in the Irish birth records. I have no experience of searching those myself. Thank you!

Jill.





mtDNA subclade K1b2b. Father's Y-DNA I-S25383
GEDmatch kit; CF7867455
Father's kit; RY1336515
Mother's kit; AF2312865


Kincardineshire
Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie

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Re: Agnes Wyllie b. abt 1801 Dublin. Can't find her birth.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 April 17 20:51 BST (UK) »
I also cannot find any record of a marriage between George Wyllie or Wylie to an Ann Dick in the Scottish OPR records. In case they moved to Ireland later.

Had no luck in searching findmypast.co.uk in either the British or Irish searches there either.  ???
mtDNA subclade K1b2b. Father's Y-DNA I-S25383
GEDmatch kit; CF7867455
Father's kit; RY1336515
Mother's kit; AF2312865


Kincardineshire
Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie