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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 May 17 02:43 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage.

Thomas Gwilliam - Mary Bailey. 1834 Walford, Herefordshire.
Mary Gwilliam. death 1839 Ludlow.

Thank you Osprey, I am referring to this previous posting, Mary Gwilliam died 1839, did they have any children between 1834 and 1839.  Sorry if I confused you.

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New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 May 17 10:25 BST (UK) »
don't think I'm confused. The Mary who died in 1839 is not Mary Bailey who married in 1834 in Walford as she is still alive and having children later and did not marry your Thomas anyway
birth regs as examples
Elizabeth Gwilliam dec qtr 1843 Ross vol 26 pg 215 mother's maiden name Bailey - bp 10 Dec  Walford
Thomas Gwilliam sept qtr 1850 Ross vol 26 pg 250 mother's maiden name Bailey - bp 1 Sep  Walford

The Mary Gwilliam death registered in Ludlow in 1839 is unrelated to this family, she was 58. There's a death registered at Abergavenny in 1839 which is possible but I haven't spotted a burial for any extra info, or a possible marriage to your Thomas. There is a possible marriage at Llanfoist 25 Dec 1838 of a John Gwilliam & Mary Cawthorn which could account for the Mary Gwilliam death registered at Abergavenny in 1839.

The 1834 marriage of a Thomas Gwilliam in Walford is not your Thomas. The previous marriage of your Thomas has not been found as yet. I'll have another look later. Forget the 1834 marriage and 1839 burial, they are unrelated.

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 May 17 11:34 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Osprey, I was getting confused !!
jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir


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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 May 17 13:42 BST (UK) »
Purely from a geography point of view the marriage in Llangarren 11 Dec 1829 of Thomas Gwillym
And Rachel Williams might be a possibility, unless they are in the 1841 together

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 May 17 14:09 BST (UK) »
working through Thomas Gwilliam marriages in Herefordshire to start with

sep qtr 1838 registered Weobley to Susan Morris - daughter registered 1845 mother's maiden name Morris
jun qtr 1840 reg Presteigne to Margaret Meek - daughter registered Sep qtr 1847 Presteigne with mother's maiden name Meek
18 Dec 1841 to Eliza Williams in Michaelchurch Eskely - couple on 1851 census
13 March 1836 to Mary Anne South at Kinnersley - son registered 1847 at Weobley mother's maiden name South, are on 1851 census
8 Jun 1835 at Ledbury to Hannah Beake - likely couple are on 1851 census in Ledbury
so, none of the above

11 Dec 1829 to Rachel Williams at Llangarren, children baptised to this marriage in same parish
Elizabeth 15 April 1830 - buried 3 Dec 1837 aged 7
Thomas  7 Oct 1834
Rachel buried 15 July 1836 aged 37
only possible so far and she was a bit older than your Thomas.

I was typing & researching so red post long time since.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 May 17 15:12 BST (UK) »
there's a possible for Thomas bp 7 Oct 1834 on the same census page in 1841 as your Thomas, with a family called Clayton in Oak Cottage HO107/431/16 folio 38 pg 4.
Haven't spotted him after this as yet.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 11 May 17 23:06 BST (UK) »
there's a possible for Thomas bp 7 Oct 1834 on the same census page in 1841 as your Thomas, with a family called Clayton in Oak Cottage HO107/431/16 folio 38 pg 4.
Haven't spotted him after this as yet.

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Our Thomas was born 1811, shown in 1841 census living at Lillarsbrook House, Whitchurch.  Susannah Haines later to be his wife, was also living and working at the same address, they then married in 1843.    So think we can wipe that suggestion out, thanking you.   Will look into the other ones shortly.
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 11 May 17 23:12 BST (UK) »
working through Thomas Gwilliam marriages in Herefordshire to start with

sep qtr 1838 registered Weobley to Susan Morris - daughter registered 1845 mother's maiden name Morris
jun qtr 1840 reg Presteigne to Margaret Meek - daughter registered Sep qtr 1847 Presteigne with mother's maiden name Meek
18 Dec 1841 to Eliza Williams in Michaelchurch Eskely - couple on 1851 census
13 March 1836 to Mary Anne South at Kinnersley - son registered 1847 at Weobley mother's maiden name South, are on 1851 census
8 Jun 1835 at Ledbury to Hannah Beake - likely couple are on 1851 census in Ledbury
so, none of the above

11 Dec 1829 to Rachel Williams at Llangarren, children baptised to this marriage in same parish
Elizabeth 15 April 1830 - buried 3 Dec 1837 aged 7
Thomas  7 Oct 1834
Rachel buried 15 July 1836 aged 37
only possible so far and she was a bit older than your Thomas.

I was typing & researching so red post long time since.

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Looking at last,  one marriage to Rachel Williams, our Thomas would only have been 18 when he married Rachel in that case, making her 12 years older than him, think that one would be crossed out, probably.
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 11 May 17 23:34 BST (UK) »
 Thomas Gwillim and Susannah Haines were living and working at Lillarsbrook House, Whitchurch in 1841 census.     Also living at the same property were Caroline Meek, Daniel Meek, Mary Meek and Eliza Jones.    So you say there is a registration 1840 for a Margaret Meek, but she must still be alive when our Thomas & Susannah married, as she had a daughter Margaret in 1847. So we can cross that one out.   Interesting to see the Meek connection. Wondering where is Presteigne in relation to Whitchurch or any villages nearby?  Having copy of marriage certificate for Thomas & Susannah, showing Thomas as a Widower at that time, does confirm prior marriage.

Now to update on other details, Thomas Gwillim was son of William Gwillim b. 1776 at Harewood and Margaret Matthews.   In 1841 census, his father William Gwillim was living at Michaelchurch, aged 66 years, by 1851 census, he was living with his son Thomas Gwillim and Susan (Susannah) at Monmouth.   

New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir