Author Topic: Lizzie LEA and Eliz.RULE -J.MOFFAT 'Wives' 1913  (Read 4526 times)

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Re: Lizzie Lea sent to Halifax relatives as a toddler 1880
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 21 May 17 11:27 BST (UK) »
I.ve been looking for his wife as Elizabeth nee Rule but I got that information from a clan Moffat site so it may be wrong .back to the drawing board I think

I've been looking for school records for his children but nothing so far ...is there a Cheshire site where records are easier to find ??

* RULE is correct for Elizabeth mmn b 1861Birkrnhead
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Re: Lizzie Lea sent to Halifax relatives as a toddler 1880
« Reply #19 on: Monday 22 May 17 09:16 BST (UK) »
I found two more children born to Joseph Moffat and Elizabeth nee Rule with help of chatbox whizzkid "sky"

Frances Grace 1889 and John Moffat 1893
They are not with their​ father and siblings in 1911

# there is a death for France grace Moffat in 1890
And a John Moffat dies 1893

So that doesn't help finding Mrs Elizabeth Moffat
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Re: Lizzie Lea sent to Halifax relatives as a toddler 1880
« Reply #20 on: Monday 22 May 17 09:43 BST (UK) »
Also that means that their first son John  b1884 must have died before 1893 for them to name another  child John

I.d like to know who lived at 103 Conway Street Birkenhead Cheshire UK
after 1911 before joseph.s death in 1924 and after ..then

Did the Moffat own the house ? ....could Elizabeth Rule Moffat have come back and claimed it
Was it his siblings or his children that ".  Put out on the street"  Lizzie Lea and her illegitimate Moffat children
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Re: Lizzie (smith) Lea b 1877 and her relatives
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 08:51 BST (UK) »
I found a  Elizabeth Moffat in Preston Lancashire baptising  baby Annie in sept 1896.

 No father given

 profession  box is down as  " Rover " ..
Unlikely to be ours but I thought it was interesting






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Re: Lizzie (smith) Lea b 1877 and her relatives
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 19:07 BST (UK) »
There were 2 Thomas and selina Rule couples
with children Mary selina John and Thomas

I.ve unravelled them

Elizabeth is with family in 1871 in Toxteth Park Liverpool

Thomas RULE aged 38.  born Cornwall Hayle
Lelina                         38.  Born Chester Tattenhall
Mary.                         15 born Birkenhead
John                           12 (17 ?)
Elizabeth.                   9
selina.                        6
Thomas.                     3
 children born birkenhead
Until selina and John births in Liverpool
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Re: Lizzie (smith) Lea b 1877 and her relatives
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 20:19 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth not with her family in 1881 aged 19
 
Maybe
With these people  16 Waugh Street Manchester

Fred Hindley          head        rubber spreader
Elizabeth Hindley ( wife  ).?maker

Sarah Hope.   India rubber.  Lodger

Elizabeth Rule  19  elastic band
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Re: Lizzie (smith) Lea b 1877 and her relatives
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 24 May 17 14:48 BST (UK) »
Summary and recent findings
Elizabeth Rule b 1862 Birkenhead
and Lizzie Lea 1877  Birkenhead

both had children with Joseph Moffat 1861-1924 journeyman ship painter
joseph couldnt marry lizzie  according to family because he was still married to Elizabeth
but children grace 1913  john 1915an joan 1918 registration gives surname as moffat mmn lea

i cant actually find 1883 marriage for elizabet rule and joseph but her children were also registered as Moffat mmn Rule

 1871 Eliza lived with her parents Thomas and Selina RULE and siblings in toxteth park liverpool aged 9
1881 she's not with them in Birkenhead

I think she's in Manchester aged 19 working making rubber bands
 with Thomas Hindley and his wife
and another lodger  also in the rubber indusrty
 
there is a connection to Manchester ... a photo of her mother Selina Rule was taken there

the Rule Family lived near the Moffats in Birkenhead from 1884 to 1911  most married +died there too

 Elizabeth and Joseph children ;
MOFFAT :
 john   1884-1886
ann jane 1885-
thomas lancelot 1890-   married mary josephine JOHNSON  in 1911
joseph 1890- m susanna Dowdle 1910 -
lily 1894

Joseph and Moffat children are in Birkenhead In 1901 and 1911 but no sign of his wife Elizabeth
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Re: Lizzie (smith) Lea b 1877 and her relatives
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 24 May 17 23:00 BST (UK) »
I can't get back to that 1881 census with Elizabeth Rule the elastic band maker 16' waugh at Manchester

Could head of that house be Thomas Hardy not Hindley ?   I need to see the original again

The Manchester connection is a photo of her mother selina Richardson Rule from 1840 or 50. Printed in Manchester

Found a 1851 census Selinas mother Mary Richardson as a widowed midwife 
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Re: Lizzie (smith) Lea b 1877 and her relatives
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 24 May 17 23:31 BST (UK) »
1881 /3987/125/21
 
16 Waugh Street

Fred Findley  24 yrs
Elizabeth Findley  19 yrs
Sarah Hope  17 yrs
Elizabeth Moffat  19 yrs

there is no birth place and this lady is unmarried - possibly not your Elizabeth Rule.
 
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