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Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« on: Friday 02 June 17 09:55 BST (UK) »
Hello from a newcomer to Rootschat. Just for reference I found this site through a search for Catholic Churches in 19thC Finsbury and the forum looks useful so here goes with my first question:

In brief, where might I find birth and marriage details for a (probably Catholic, possibly Irish) woman born in about 1863 in Finsbury and married in around 1884-6 to a (probably non Catholic) man from Bethnal Green?

More detail if it's of use - this is research into the families of my husband's maternal great grandparents, Mary Ann(e) Kelly and Thomas Tibbitts (also spelled Tibbits, Tebbets and several other variations!) from East London area, but I've got stuck on Mary Ann Kelly! I have census details for them from 1901 and 1911 living in Spitalfields and Bethnal Green, where details show her as coming from Finsbury (Thomas is from Bethnal Green), born around 1863, and married sometime around 1884-6. But I can't find details of her birth or marriage on Ancestry, Find my Past, Family Search etc. After 3 years searching I've only just found her maiden name and the potential Catholic connection through some family documents and wonder if this is why her records aren't coming up in the usual places.

Thanks in anticipation
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Re: Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« Reply #1 on: Friday 02 June 17 10:05 BST (UK) »
Marriage Dec 1884 Whitechapel

Coughlin Annie
Kelly Mary Ann
McCarthy Denis
Tibbitts Thomas

from Free BMD index
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« Reply #2 on: Friday 02 June 17 10:08 BST (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat! ;D

Beat me to it, milliepede! ;D

I prefer to use FreeBMD for these searches; it's free, and not so "woolly" as Ancestry, FindMyPast, etc
I searched for Kelly, Mary and T*bb*ts (using wild cards) - got the hit first time!

Catholic registers may not be online?
So probably best to go for the Marriage Certificate?
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Re: Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 June 17 10:09 BST (UK) »
Using the same index there are a few Mary Ann Kelly births c1863 but not sure which district Finsbury comes under.
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos


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Re: Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 June 17 10:16 BST (UK) »
Using the same index there are a few Mary Ann Kelly births c1863 but not sure which district Finsbury comes under.

Finsbury, as a parish, was created 1.4.1915 from the parishes of Clerkenwell, St. Luke, St. Sepulchre, Glasshouse Yard, and Charterhouse.

The Registration District would be Holborn.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 June 17 10:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you, didn't find any in Holborn  :(
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« Reply #6 on: Friday 02 June 17 15:32 BST (UK) »
Here is a Mary Ann KELLY born 1863 Finsbury in 1881.  Hopefully when you get her marriage cert the father's details will match.....

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-7932

A correction to that transcription, Hannah's birthplace is just recorded as 'Kerry', nothing else.

This looks like them in 1871....

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJ8-P2T

Marriages December quarter 1861

(on the same page)

HAYES, Hannah   
KELLY, James

London City
Vol. 1c
Page. 224   

If you use the GRO indexes for the children's births, I am pretty sure Hannah/Honora's maiden surname was COLLINS, all children registered Shoreditch.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Debra  :)



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Re: Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« Reply #7 on: Friday 02 June 17 21:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much all of you! I guess you just get to know your way around after a while but I've been struggling with this for a while so I'm really grateful for the links and the suggestions of where to look. This information has finally confirmed my husband's family's myth that 'there's a bit of the Oirish in there'!  ;)
Manning (Pinner - Middlesex, maybe Bristol)
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Frith (Sheffield, Derbyshire)
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Wentworth (Harrow, Oxfordshire)
Tibbitts (East London)
Milner (South London)
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Re: Catholic birth and marriage records Finsbury, Kelly b about 1863
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 June 17 22:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Millipede and Dundee - my initial delight has turned into confusion! Hope you don't mind me asking some other questions for clarification and guidance?
I know the GRO indexes are where you can order certificates but can you search for things on there too? Is that where you (Dundee) found out about the children and their births in Shoreditch (thought Mary Ann Kelly was born in Finsbury - are they close?) and Hannah/Honor's maiden name? And her marriage in 1861 to John Kelly (presumably her second husband after Hays?)
I've just looked for the Tibbitts / Kelly marriage on Free BMD and found it, but it doesn't show any names except the 2 of them - what am not doing?! Apologies for being slow and/or annoying! Could do with some one-to-one tutorials by the look of it!
Thanks again
Liz
Manning (Pinner - Middlesex, maybe Bristol)
Walters (Hertfordshire)
Lockett (Sheffield, Manchester, maybe Cheshire)
Jackson (Hampshire/Wiltshire)
Hemingway (Yorkshire)
Frith (Sheffield, Derbyshire)
Armitage (Sheffield)
Wentworth (Harrow, Oxfordshire)
Tibbitts (East London)
Milner (South London)
Rudd (Hertfordshire)