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John William(s) BRIDGES - Islington
« on: Sunday 04 June 17 20:52 BST (UK) »
Ancestry has the following baptism of Frederick BRIDGES:
London England Births and Baptisms 1813-1906
St. Mary Islington, Middlesex:
Frederick Bridges son of John Williams and Mary Bridges, bapt 16 June 1815, born 19 May 1815.  Father's occupation weaver, residence workhouse.

It is possible this is my 3ggfather (Frederick) who married in 1838 in Tenterden, Kent and almost immediately he and his wife migrated to Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. 

My dilemma is his father = John William(s) BRIDGES - I can find nothing further of him after or before the above entry.  He does not appear in any census record, nor does he appear to have died in the London area.  It is possible he was of the Church of Scotland, but non-comformist registers do not show him either as having died, remarried or baptised other children.

John's wife is supposed to be Mary GOW.  Frederick gives his father's name as John, James and Frederic, so no help there.  He is consistent with mother Mary GOW. 

Any help or direction very much appreciated.
Glenys
Adams - Dorset, Wilts, Austl
Bridges -London, Kent, Austl
Alloway - Wiltshire, Cornwall, Devon, Austl
Petherick -Devon, Cornwall
Fasham - Kent, Australia
Paulin -Northumberland, Scotland, Australia
Trimmer - Hampshire, Austl
Russell - Kent, London, Austl
Harrison - Westmorland, Northumberland, London, Austl
Lewin - London, Surrey, Austl
Ludgater - London, Surrey
Thornborough/Hadath - Westmorland, Cornwall, Devon, Lancs
Foster - London, Austl
Tant - Essex
Hillier - Dorset
Howieson - Scotland

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Re: John William(s) BRIDGES - Islington
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 June 17 21:06 BST (UK) »
Hello Glenys

Going back a step for a moment, what paternal details are given for Frederick on the 1838 marriage, and who were the witnesses please?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John William(s) BRIDGES - Islington
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 June 17 22:43 BST (UK) »
I can't see a marriage registration for Frederick Bridges in 1838 - who did he marry?
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Re: John William(s) BRIDGES - Islington
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 June 17 22:44 BST (UK) »
It is as Frederic Bridges I think.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: John William(s) BRIDGES - Islington
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 June 17 22:47 BST (UK) »
St Mildred, Tenterden: 22 June 1838

Frederic Bridges 24 otp to Harriet Burbridge 19 otp, after banns.

Paternal details not included in the Kent FHS transcription.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John William(s) BRIDGES - Islington
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 June 17 22:54 BST (UK) »
FamilySearch has a fuller transcription: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJDL-9HRQ

Frederic Bridges' father: Frederic Bridges
Harriet Burbridge's father: Thomas Foggle
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John William(s) BRIDGES - Islington
« Reply #6 on: Monday 05 June 17 17:50 BST (UK) »
Hello AVM and Millipede:
Thank you for your responses.  Here are the details of the marriage certificate:
1838. Marriages solemnized by Philip Ward in the Church of Tenterden in the County of Kent.
No. 15.  June 28.  Frederick (k is on the certificate) Bridges age 24 Bachelor Bootmaker Tenterden
Father: Frederic Bridges  Exciseman
Harriet Burbidge 19 Spinster  Tenterden
Father: Thomas Fuggle  Bootmaker
Married in the Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England by me, Philip Ward, Vicar of Tenterden
This marriage was solemnized between us, Frederic (no k) Bridges, his mark X
Harriet Burbidge her mark X
In the Presence of us, Edward Fowler, his mark X and William Chambers
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Also, found this baptism for a John Wm. Bridges in London:
St. George in the East, Stepney, London Baptisms -  1786 July
30 - John Wm s of John Bridges, Baker, by Ann, Choppings Court  21 days old at baptism

So far nothing further on this John Wm.

On the immigration record (1838) of Frederick and Harriet to Australia, Frederick states his father is James an Exciseman for the District of Caithness.  I have done extensive research on the 'exciseman' entry for Frederick's father under James, John and Frederic(k) Bridges, including assistance from the Scottish Excise Office as well as England.  Nothing comes up for any of the names, including Bridges. An additional immigration record states his father is John, no occupation given.  A son of Frederick's noted that his father was a Mason and a visit to the Masonic Archives in Sydney, does reveal Frederick was a Mason with the forerunner of Manchester Unity a Benevolent Society still in existence today.    Unfortunately the cemetery where he was buried in Sydney has been exhumed and remains found where transferred to other area cemeteries.  Frederick's does not appear to be one of them. 

This is just background information really.  I'm confused about his father's name and would very much like to determine if I have found him in London.  The birthdate given by the Vicar 19 May 1815, is the birthdate used on immigration and family records.

Again, thank you very much for your interest and help.



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Bridges -London, Kent, Austl
Alloway - Wiltshire, Cornwall, Devon, Austl
Petherick -Devon, Cornwall
Fasham - Kent, Australia
Paulin -Northumberland, Scotland, Australia
Trimmer - Hampshire, Austl
Russell - Kent, London, Austl
Harrison - Westmorland, Northumberland, London, Austl
Lewin - London, Surrey, Austl
Ludgater - London, Surrey
Thornborough/Hadath - Westmorland, Cornwall, Devon, Lancs
Foster - London, Austl
Tant - Essex
Hillier - Dorset
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Re: Mary BRIDGES and son Frederick BRIDGES - Islington, Mx Warblington, Hamps
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 September 18 21:53 BST (UK) »
It now appears that Frederick BRIDGES was born in Islington, Middlesex, England the illegitimate son of Mary BRIDGES, daughter of Joseph BRIDGES an excavator.  Poor Law and Removal Records of Islington confirm his birth and mother and show his removal with Mary to Warblington, Hampshire.

Mary BRIDGES contends in her examination to the overseers of the Poor Law that she is chargeable to St.. Mary Islington, giving question to was she actually born there?  The trustees determined to send Mary and Frederick to Warblington because Mary's father, Joseph had rented a house in Emsworth (in Warblington Parish) ca 1811 for four years and Mary had lived with him during that time.  Six months earlier (so around November 1814 Joseph and family moved to Alfold, Surrey where he rented a house and was still there at the time Mary was being removed from Islington (1815).  I believe it was because she was pregnant with Frederick and had been sent away to fend for herself.  She states herself that she had not lived in the family home for the past six months.

Wondering if there are directories for Warblington or Alfold from 1810 to 1815 that might show Joseph Bridges.  I have not been successful in locating a Mary Bridges born ca 1792 to Joseph Bridges that I can identify.  I have reached across the border into Sussex near both Alfold and Warblington, still without success. 
Adams - Dorset, Wilts, Austl
Bridges -London, Kent, Austl
Alloway - Wiltshire, Cornwall, Devon, Austl
Petherick -Devon, Cornwall
Fasham - Kent, Australia
Paulin -Northumberland, Scotland, Australia
Trimmer - Hampshire, Austl
Russell - Kent, London, Austl
Harrison - Westmorland, Northumberland, London, Austl
Lewin - London, Surrey, Austl
Ludgater - London, Surrey
Thornborough/Hadath - Westmorland, Cornwall, Devon, Lancs
Foster - London, Austl
Tant - Essex
Hillier - Dorset
Howieson - Scotland