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Re: confusion reigns supreme!
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 07 June 17 16:41 BST (UK) »
Just noticed you said he married his first wife in Battle. maybe he did not fill in his own census return and it was done by a family member, possibly second wife and she thought he was born there because she had been told that was where he and his first wife married.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 07 June 17 16:55 BST (UK) »
Its certainly possible, I also wondered if the person completing the return put Battle as this was where Mary was baptised?

I suppose its all a possibility.

Thanks for your help.

I hope to find him in the 1861 census and see what location is provided.

Westy

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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 June 17 17:35 BST (UK) »
Originally I was worried and now I'm just a little unsure.... so that's a big improvement. ;D

Circumstantial evidence leads me to tend to think this is the correct William and for some reason Battle has gone down as his birth place.

As yet I haven't located him in the 1861 census although I notice some trees have him in Kent in 1861 but I don't think that's him as the birth location is off track.

Westy
Looks like he's a turnpike gate keeper in Snodland in Kent in 1861, and in 1871 he's in Margate in receipt of parish relief. In 1881 Mary is in Thanet workhouse as a widow. Death reg for a William Carrick in Thanet district Q3 1875 age 85.
His pob is transcriped as Pouth in 1871 on Ancestry, but the image does look like Battle.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate


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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 07 June 17 17:50 BST (UK) »
Hello Lizzie,

Thanks so much.

Will check it out.

Westy

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Re: confusion reigns supreme!
« Reply #13 on: Friday 09 June 17 11:51 BST (UK) »
Hello Westy

For consideration:-
William Carrick baptised at Sedlescombe 19 September 1790, son of George and Fanny.
George Carrick of Hawkhurst married Frances Morris at Sedlescombe 15 January 1789.
George and Fanny then went on to have 3 children baptised at Battle until Fanny's death (buried at Battle 17 April 1798, wife of George).

The above William would appear to be the William Carrick who gives his birthplace as Battle in the census. His first wife Philadelphia died in 1839 and he remarried to Mary Saxby at Ticehurst on 6 September 1841, and William's father's name was George.

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« Reply #14 on: Friday 09 June 17 13:45 BST (UK) »
Well Caroline, it feels like I need to go back to the drawing board. ???

It is important for me to confirm the research and findings so off I go.

Thanks for you contributions,

Westy 


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« Reply #15 on: Friday 09 June 17 15:48 BST (UK) »
For what it is worth, I concur with Caroline, and that your William was the son of George and Frances/Fanny.    I also note that William and Philadelphia named a daughter Fanny which strengthens it a little more.

Sedlecombe and Battle are only just under 2 miles apart and clearly William was indeed raised in Battle.

Caroline - I'm assuming you have access to records not online as I cannot find any baptisms at Sedlecombe or Battle for the relevant time in currently available online records.  Whatever your source, well done you for finding and posting on this thread.

What were the names/dates of the 3 children baptised in Battle (just for my own curiosity)?  I also note that a George Carrick appears in the census at Battle bc.1789 Hawkhurst - wonder if this was the first child to George and Fanny (who'd married January that year)?

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 09 June 17 16:08 BST (UK) »
Hello Annette

George Carrick and Fanny (Morris)'s children at Battle were:
Ann bap 1793; Elizabeth bap 1795 and John 1797. Fanny Carrick was buried at Battle 17 April 1798 and register noted 'wife of George'.

Yes, you're right about George Carrick from Hawkhurst being George and Fanny's child- his baptism appears at Hawkhurst on 3 October 1788 as George Carrick Morris, baseborn son of Fanny Morris.

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Glasgow: Edwards