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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 17:31 BST (UK) »
New developments regarding John Pinder.   Came across a document pointing to a John Pinder. Died 1797 . Decided to take a chance and purchased a copy of the will.
Here are the key points and names quoted in document:
John Pinder of Kilham, York, Yeoman and farmer.
Wife Jane
Sons: John, William, Robert
Daughters: Jane Pinder,wife of Richard Gibson, Mary Pinder, wife of Stephen Bennison,  Ann Pinder.

So that confirms the link to Stephen Bennison and that Mary and John Pinder (Father of Stephen Pinder?)  are probably brother and sisters.

But I'm having issues with John's place of birth. Documents point to Snaith, Yorkshire, which is outside Kilham. So, I'm wondering if this John Pindar, who had a son called John Pinder, is the father of my Great-Great Grandfather, Stephen Pinder (B1803 - 1882). Or is there a record of birth of John Pinder in or arround Kilham, and that the Snaith record is for another John Pinder(ar)

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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 19:19 BST (UK) »
Hi

What does the document say that suggests a birth in Snaith? If you don't mind me asking.

Regarding John Kilham, the elder: I can see a baptism in Snaith in 1716, but I can also see a marriage license for 1748 whereby both parties are resident in parishes (Kellington & Knottingley) that are pretty close to Snaith too - but not to a Jane

Can you spot a marriage to a Jane ?
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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 19:27 BST (UK) »
No, the document makes no mention of a marriage in Snaith. That information is from a different search for John Pinder. Has nothing to do with the will.

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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 20:05 BST (UK) »

No - sorry, didn't explain myself. Does the Will say John Pinder was of / from Snaith ?

As you say Snaith is a fair way from Kilham
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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 20:41 BST (UK) »
No,the will does not say the marriage occurred in Snaith nor that he comes from Snaith.   He (John) in his Will, states he comes from Kilham.   https://1drv.ms/i/s!AifC60WL0cSMuVMy9fvXYNlWMbPo

In addition to this John Pindar, there was another John Pinder, who died on the 24th of April, 1796 in Kilham.  His occupation was cordwainer (Shoe maker)  . Married to an Elizabeth Pinder. Father is listed as a Robert Pinder.  Curious to know who this Robert Pinder was.. A brother perhaps?   

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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 21:45 BST (UK) »
Hi

This John Pinder who was buried before 'your' John was an infant or child.

It reads

John, son of Robert Pinder, cordwainer, by Elizabeth his wife died 24 April buried....25th.

Robert : Not sure who he is - a burial in Kilham in the 1820's suggests a birthdate c1758.

Possibly a brother but then why not mentioned in the Will ? Possibly some relation.

Thankyou for letting me see the Will.

We know Stephens father John was born 1749 - but can't see his father yet in Kilham - although I have spotted a Jonathon - will have a proper look later - unfortunately I'm still working at the moment  :-\ ( well supposed to be ) :)

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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 21 June 17 12:28 BST (UK) »
Hello Claire,

Curious to know how you determined this John who died in 1796 was an infant.
I'm cheating a bit right now, doing a bit of ancestry search at work.. will try to put aside some time to dive into this.
So, the question now is, where my John Pinder (D1797 in Kilham) was born (Kilham or Snaith), who his father was  and who this Richard is, and if there is any relationship.

Best regards,

Stephen

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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 21 June 17 13:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Stephen

Robert & Elizabeth Pinder were baptising children in Kilham from 1787 - 1800. Their son John was baptised in 1789 - so was eight years old when he died.

Will check out this Robert - they had children John & Mary (plus an Ann 1797, Hannah & Bathsheba 1792, Elizabeth 1794 and Bridget 1800) it may suggest there could have been some familial connection to your family given their names.

EDIT: Just read through your transcription of the Will again - I should think that Robert  is the son mentioned in the Will. I have also seen a couple of marriages for two of the other siblings William and Ann in Kilham.

This looks to be the gravestone of possibly a brother or cousin of Stephens - a John Pinder
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Kilham/Graveyard/pinder0144.html


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Re: Stephen Pinder (B1797 or 1803)
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 21 June 17 18:28 BST (UK) »
Children of John Pinder & Jane

John Bapt. 19 January 1749 ***Stephens father.

Ann Bapt. 15 December 1766

Jane Bapt. 30 April 1755

Mary Bapt. 10 May 1761***married Mr Bennison.

William Bapt. 29 Nov. 1753

Robert Bapt. 14 March 1758

There is a William who also baptised a child in the 1750's - possible sibling of John (whose birth we can't find)

Claire





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