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Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« on: Wednesday 05 July 17 10:29 BST (UK) »
 I am trying to find out when Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom born Wood died. She was born in March 1851 in Brighton, Volume 7, Page 344. 

She was married on the 19th July 1875 at Le Havre in France to Henry Edward Groom born 5th August 1848 Clerkenwell and baptized the 4th October 1848 St Pancras London.

They had the following children.
(c1) Gertrude Mary Groom b. London 1875.
(c2) Mabel Elizabeth Groom b. London 1877.
(c3) Maude Marian Francis Groom b. France in Le Havre BS 1878.
(c4) Constance Harriett Groom b. France Le Havre BS 1879.
(c5) Claud Albert Groom b. Brussels BS 1882.
(c6) Charles Lancelot Hessett Groom b. Boughton Kent 1883.
(c7) Leon James Groom b. Boughton Kent 1884.
     (c8) Elizabeth Ann Groom b and died in March1886 Chester 8a 286.
BS stands for British Subject where a child is born in another country.

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Re: Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 11:11 BST (UK) »
When do you last have her on census
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Re: Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 11:42 BST (UK) »
For those trying to help;

Some of the Children are Boarders in Kent in 1891;
Claud A Groom, 9
Charles E Groom, 8
Leon J Groom, 7
They are still there in 1901.

EDIT Girls there also in 1891 under Uram

Do you know when/where their Father died pampoen?

There is a H E Groom heading to Natal 1892 (age 38)

 

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Re: Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 12:07 BST (UK) »
I can see no deaths for either Henry Edward Groom nor his wife Frances in the UK - nor, aside from the children sightings in census, can I find marriages or deaths in the UK for any of the children.

Having just checked outgoing passenger lists Gertrude and Mabel travelled to Natal, South Africa on 17/3/1892 plus Claud and Charles went to Natal on 7/7/1906 - so looks like further details regarding this family are in South Africa.

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Re: Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 14:07 BST (UK) »
Thank you yes the father and children all eventually sailed to South Africa. My maternal grandmother was Constance Harriet Groom. However I can find no trace of the mother France's travelling to South Africa.
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Re: Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 14:28 BST (UK) »

Do you know when/where their Father died pampoen?

There is a H E Groom heading to Natal 1892 (age 38)
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Re: Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 19:23 BST (UK) »
Since the family were clearly constantly 'on the move' can only suggest that Frances died somewhere overseas between 1886 and 1892 - certainly not in the UK anyway.   

Can't help thinking 'poor woman' with 8 children in 11 years!  One wonders if her death (wherever it was) was due to childbirth.

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Re: Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 July 17 07:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Annette that is what I was thinking. I am wondering if she did not die at childbirth along with the baby Elizabeth Ann. Any chance you can check for a death for a France's Elizabeth Groom in March 1886 in Chester. Regards Derek
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Re: Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth Groom
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 July 17 07:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Annette that is what I was thinking. I am wondering if she did not die at childbirth along with the baby Elizabeth Ann. Any chance you can check for a death for a France's Elizabeth Groom in March 1886 in Chester. Regards Derek

You can check deaths for 1886 Chester on freebmd and

cheshirebmd http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/deathsearch.php
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