Griffith Jones

[wilcoxon]

OK, so that's why my search for Jones might not have picked him up. I always use the details people give me .

I have trawled through the pages and got the entry.
Denbyshire , Wassell.
Denbyshire , Cavan.

I can understand Cefn may sound like Cavan,  but Wassell 

[rosie99]

OK, so that's why my search for Jones might not have picked him up. I always use the details people give me .

FindMyPast have it as Jones, it was only when I was searching for it on Ancestry against the reference number I had given after you queried it that I saw they had it transcribed as Jokes.   

[Gadget]

I interpreted Wassall as Gwersyllt but found his baptism in Hope:

Think this might be Griffith's baptism - father William, blacksmith  corresponding to marriage entry~

Hope, Flintshire
Oct 6 1830 Griffith Jones, son of William (blacksmith)  and Hannah of Caergwrley(Caergwrle)

Also:

Found Eliza's baptism - in my non-conformist files:

Llangollen Wesleyan Circuit:

Bpt 23 May 1823 Elisa Williams.
Parents - John Williams (butcher) and Sarah
Abode - Cefn Mawr, Ruabon parish

Gadget

Added - I notice that the twins were names John and Sarah 

This fits with their marriage that I found earlier.

The North Wales BMD is showing Griffith Jones possibly marrying an Eliza Williams, Wrexham St Giles, 1850.

The parish records show that they married on August 26th 1850 at the above church. Both of full age and living in Bersham.
Griffith is recorded as a forgeman (which would fit with the puddler in the 1861 census). His father recorded as William Jones,blacksmith.
Eliza is recorded as a cottager. Her father is lsited as John Williams, butcher.


Gadget

[Wodgemac]

Wow, thank you for your hard work and help.
I have a rough idea of the area, because I do swift water rescue training in Llangollen with the fire service, so we drive past Ruabon on the way, I've always meant to call in and see where my ancestors lived. Hopefully I will do, when I have time one day.
I'm away from  home at the moment, but when I return I will search out the 1841 census I had printed up with Griffiths Jones and Elizabeth Williams. I just can't remember exactly what town it was...
Will it be just as difficult finding out their mothers maiden names and going back another generation?
Once again thank you very much for your help.
Kind regards
Richard

[Gadget]

It's a bit more difficult to get mother's maiden name before civil reg in  1837 as we have to rely on marriages and other sources. 

If they were in the Wrexham area in 1841, they won't be listed on the census so the ones you found may not be them 

Gadget

Added - re the 1841 record that you saw - Griffith would be circa 10 yrs and Eliza 15-17 yrs

[Gadget]

This might help:
Think I might have found Griffith's parents in 1851

HO107/2502/248/36

Pont Faden, Gwersyllt, Hope
William Jones, 61, Smith, b. Hope
Hannah, 46, b. Hope
John, s, lbourer, b. Hope
Harriet, d, 18
Sarah, d, 16
Isabella, d, 13
William, s, 11
Robert, s 7
Hannah, d, 5
Jane, Grandd, 3, b. Wrexham

All children apart from John, b. Gresford. Not sure if the 1841 for Gresford is available.

Probably married in the Hope area - will check.

Gadget

[wilcoxon]

I found this family in 1851 , they are at Pont Vaden, Gwersyllt.  This is the bridge that crosses the river Alyn by the New Inn, it`s the border between Denbighshire and Flintshire.
Pont Vaden was quite a little industrial area, a  James Barlow, Iron Master, late of
Gwersyllt Iron Works near Wrexham died 20th November 1856 aged 56 is buried in Chester.
There was a also a wire works.
It`s only a stone`s throw from Hope and Caergwrle. It might be worth checking out.

When the pubs were closed on a Sunday, most of Gwersyllt walked a mile or so across the border to Flintshire for a pint. My own parents and most of  my family included, a bottle of pop and packet of crisps in the back yard was a treat.

Pont Vaden , Gwersyllt.
William Jones smelter ?  41 b Hope
 Hannah Jones  44 b Hope
 John Jones  26 b Hope
 Harriet Jones  18 b Gresford
 Sarah Jones  16 b Gresford
 Isabella Jones  13 b Gresford
 William Jones  11 b Gresford
 Robert Jones  7 grandson b Wrexham
 Hannah Jones  5
 Jane Jones  3
 
 

[wilcoxon]

Gadget, you just beat me on the draw 

[Gadget]

Fastest gun in the West, me 

Would be grateful for a bit of help checking the GRO for mother's maiden name of Robert and Hannah - I've managed to find possible surnames - Hewett, Lloyd, Jones -  that are in both listings but my laptop is playing up yet again and is on a go slow