James Joyce was a stockman par excellence. One of his first appearances in our newspapers was to advertise his services as a stock drover to take stock inland. His associate was called Mills. He was highly praised as manager of Tururau station. Horse management would have been of prime importance.
One of our important historians claimed that JPJ was in Australia for a time before coming to New Zealand about 1857. I have not found his sea passage. Numerous ships sailed back and forth between our countries. It is possible that his father went to Australia as well. I shall look for this.
Interestingly JPJ married Jane Cadzien in 1861. She appears to have ttravelled south alone before the marriage. I have details about her family background.
Children born to the couple have names that bear some resemblance to children you mention, but in one case Fanny becomes the male Francis.
1863 Lucy Jane - died young.
1864 James Frederick Parker - not in BDM, but found in newspaper. Followed father as editor.
1866 George Oliver ( sometimes Oliver George)
1868 John Arthur Francis - died young
1869 Edith Mary (father not recorded. OnlyJane. But a member of the family.
1870 Aline Emily
1875 Maud Bertha
1875 Letitia Elizabeth ( probably 1873) died at 10 years
1876 Walter Gilmour
I have their marriages.
I have often wondered about the brothers/sisters of John Joyce of Beckington, especially James. I did not know about William, who seems to have relevance to me in relation to naming patterns. I have copied out pages and pages of names, and many of the ones you mention are in my lists but I could not connect them. Now I look forward to charting what I have.
It is interesting that you mention Cork. I traced the father of the Portsea Island James Joyce (who was born on the same day as JPJ in 1834.) to Limerick. This was exactly nine months after the marriage of his parents. I could find no further mention of that child James (b1834). Without checking I think that James Snr was born in 1809 in Limerick. I will check that. I took numerous notes from old records a friend supplied. He was a mariner and I was able to trace his ships. He had been on HMS Challenger just before it was wrecked after a massive earthquake disturbed the ocean. He was not aboard at the time. He sailed on several other HMS ships. There is one document available about one of his voyages but so far I have not been able to source it. It was difficult to separate him from another of the same name.
Southern parts of Ireland interest me also because my DNA test suggested a strong connection to Cork.
That test also returns a huge number of names of people having connections with the surnames of the Beckington wives. See how desperate I have become! I figure that their descendants will have their mitochondrial DNA along with Joyce genes and that I could have those elements of DNA too.
Is Smith a relevant name to the Beckington Joyces? Or Roberts?
I think that you are right in that family members followed each other around the world. There are several clusters of Joyce families here who do seem to have a lot in common. I forgot to mention that JPJ sold safety fuses for mining purposes as one of his jobs. They were Brunton fuses, and oddly enough Brunton himself brought his family to New Zealand and ultimately settled them a few miles from JPJ. More importantly he appears in newspapers as supporting JPJ when he was campaigning for his seat in the House of Representatives. From memory Brunton was located in the U.K. close to the Joyces we discuss.
Michael Joyce, known as Captain Joyce and not too far from JPJ, had a son who also moved into politics like JP - John Joyce of Lyttelton, a lawyer, I think.
Joyces figured in coastal shipping. Yet others, including a James Joyce, were part of the rediscovery of the Auckland Islands south of New Zealand. Real adventuresrs all.
Recently I have been looking at a Matthew Lee Joyce who was in New Zealand and the only Joyce fathering children here in the 1850s. He came into money and set up a butchery in the centre of Christchurch. It would appear that his marriage became awkward. He drowned in the Hokitika River when on business there. The Lee/Leigh part of his name is significant because I have found an 1851 Census document where Margaret Smith, nee Leigh, widow, had two boarders, James Joyce and James Moffoot (alternative spelling differentiating him from James Moffat living next door). A child in that house, born 1848, came to New Zealand and married in the same small settlement as JPJ. Her descendants show a DNA connection to us.
I am spreading this document too wide, so I will stop now. I want to look for Alexander, Time-Ball keeper. The building was severely damaged in the huge Christchurch earthquake, a shame because we have so few old buildings. I have already noted that he possibly had some extreme political views. Nothing surprising for us. JPJ was fairly outspoken and ruffled a few feathers.
I will stop now. My iPad is getting old and creating some odd words. My apologies if I have not found and corrected them all.
Sincerely,
Mary
PS. Please feel free to correct any glaring errors or false suppositions. - M