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DOWEL - GERMANY
« on: Thursday 20 July 17 10:40 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find out what my German great grandfather's original surname was.  It  was changed to Dowel.  Various members of the family believe the name was Dahl;  Duvell;  Dorvell;  Darvell; Duewel; and Douvel.

I am interested in substantiating that names and places where they lived before arriving in Australia are correct.  Also any other siblings and further information about the family.

Henry John James Dowel arrived in Sydney on the Kammer Director Von Flotow on 12/4/1860, sailing from Liverpool in January, 1860.  He was listed as the cook.

Born about 1841 in Rostock Mecklenburg, Schwerin, Germany.

George John Frederick Dowel arrived in Australia on 20/8/1875 on the Somersetshire.

Frederick John Dowel arrived in Australia coming from England sometime after 1860.

Frederick's parents were listed as Johann Friederich Theodor Duwel and Friederica Dorothea Christina Clorius.

Winona


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Re: DOWEL - GERMANY
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 July 17 17:16 BST (UK) »
Winona,

Familysearch.org (and ancestry.com) records the marriage of Johann Friederich Düwel and Friederica Dorothea Christiane Clorius on 11 May 1832 in Benkenhagen, Mecklenburg-Schwerin

See here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NZZ2-4FY

Benkenhagen should perhaps read Behnkenhagen and is a short distance east of Blankenhagen and a mere 16km NE of Rostock.

FS also records the birth of two other sons in 1833 and 1834.

Here is Georg Johann Friedrich https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NZ4P-74V

... and another sibling https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJXC-7VL

... and another https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR4B-Q13

Justin


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Re: DOWEL - GERMANY
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 July 17 00:24 BST (UK) »
Hello Justin.  Thank you for this information - it is most helpful.  I will pursue the links you have suggested.  Winona

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Re: DOWEL - GERMANY
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 July 17 08:25 BST (UK) »
Just marking this thread for interest and so I see when new posts are made - if any! 

Wiggy   :)
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: DOWEL - GERMANY
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 July 17 10:27 BST (UK) »
Hello Winona and Wiggy,

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G926-NGMC?i=6&cat=247459 is a link to the microfilm of the original parish register for the district.

I won't spoil your sense of adventure by telling on which page you can find each record, but I have found the marriage record, Georg Johann Friederich's baptsim and Friederica Dorothea Christiane Clorius's confirmation.

Returning to your original question about the original surname, I realise that the matter is not as simple as it may appear. The parish records appear to have been maintained in Standard German, i.e. High German - Hochdeustch. However, this was not the language spoken by the locals of the region - the region stretching across the whole of northern Germany. They spoke Low German (Niederdeutsch or Plattdeutsch), which itself had numerous dialects, one of them being Mecklenburgisch-Vorpommersch, which also had dialectic variations.

You will find a plethora of fascinating articles on the subject on the internet. You should also listen to any sound clips to compare the language with Standard German. Believe me, when I say that a speaker of Standard German will struggle to understand Plattdeutsch.

Furthermore, like the English language at the dawn of printing in the 15th century, there was no standardised spelling in Plattdeutsch. To complicate matters further, Mecklenburgisch-Vorpommersch even had vowel sounds that did not exist in other dialects. Publishers had to devise new letters to represent the sounds.

In the parish records, the name has been recorded as Düwel(l) and Düvel, which are fundamentally different. A German 'w' is an English 'v', whereas a German 'v' is an English 'f'. A 'w' in Plattdeutsch is also pronounced like an English 'v'. Incidentally, the letter 'ü' can also be written as 'ue'.

The last point to bear in mind is that there is no way of knowing how the family themselves wrote their name or who was first able to write it.

Justin







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Re: DOWEL - GERMANY
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 July 17 10:36 BST (UK) »
Lots to take I there Justin.     :)
So though they are spelt differently , they are indeed the same family.

   Just checking as I have seen several families Gaunt/Gant in the same district in UK, all with the same given names repeating over and over.  Very hard to sort them out.   :D

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: DOWEL - GERMANY
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 July 17 11:42 BST (UK) »
Most definitely the same family. The parents' given names and the mother's maiden name are very distinctive.


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Re: DOWEL - GERMANY
« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 July 17 11:48 BST (UK) »
 :)  good!   :)
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.

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