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Dead End!
« on: Friday 21 July 17 18:17 BST (UK) »
I posted here because this dead end covers three different counties, feel free to move to somewhere more relevant! I've got a dead end and thought I'd post it here in case anyone fancies a challenge. Here are the facts:

- My great great grandmother was born Mary Hammond, circa 1884.

- In 1904, at Eythorne in Kent, she married John Thomas Kemp. She is 20 years old. Her address is 9 Victoria Grove, Canterbury. Her father is William Hammond, he is a publican.
Witnesses:
Mary Hammond
David MacDonald Kemp

- Mary and John have six children: Elsie May, Macdonald John, Harold, Edwards, Nancy C, Ellen M C L Kemp.

- In 1911 she is living with John in Eythorne, Kent. She says she is born in Cheshire.

- On 2 August 1917, John Thomas Kemp dies of wounds received on the Western Front. On the 7th, he is buried in Goodnestone in Kent.
Excerpt from the Dover Express, reporting on the funeral 10 August 1917:
The deceased leaves a widow and six children... The mourners were Mrs. J. T. Kemp (widow)... Mrs. Hammond (mother-in-law)...

- In 1919 she gives birth to my great grandmother, but now she is in Portsmouth, Hampshire. She gives her name as Mary Kemp and is living at 31 St Thomas Street, Portsmouth. The father is Charles Walter Gray. They never married.

So I've never been able to find out the following, with certainty:

Where she is from?
There's a possible family in Dukinfield, historically Cheshire, through the censuses. The father is called William Henry Hammond, and the mother is Ellen (one of her kids was named Ellen). But I've never been able to prove it.

What happened to her?
I've never been able to find out what happened to her. It is said my great grandmother said she committed suicide... But I have never been able to get anywhere close to finding out what happened to her.

I'm pretty stumped on this one so if anyone fancies a challenge of finding something I have missed, that would be good! :)


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Re: Dead End!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 July 17 18:32 BST (UK) »
There's a tree on Ancestry - yours? That has her born 1884 Dukinfield, Cheshire to William Henry Hammond and Ellen Parkinson. No sources though and doesn't have her marriage.

Looking at the 1891 census for that family William is a book keeper at a Cotton Mill though.   

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 July 17 18:42 BST (UK) »
There is a baptism for a Mary Hammond 1 Jan 1866 in Wilmslow, parents William and Mary. William's occupation is given as Publican and the abode Newtown Wilmslow.

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« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 July 17 18:45 BST (UK) »
There is a baptism for a Mary Hammond 1 Jan 1866 in Wilmslow, parents William and Mary. William's occupation is given as Publican and the abode Newtown Wilmslow.

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The only problem with that one is that it would make her 38 on her marriage, not 20.

I wonder who the Mary is as a witness, can't be a sister so must be mother, sister in law or possibly cousin?
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« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 July 17 18:48 BST (UK) »
Regarding the Dukinfield family, it’s possible William Henry dies 1907
Look for his widow in 1911

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 July 17 18:57 BST (UK) »
Sorry that was a typo on my part. The baptism took place 1 Jan 1886.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 July 17 19:04 BST (UK) »
Sorry that was a typo on my part. The baptism took place 1 Jan 1886.

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In that case, it looks a very good match - right age, right name of father, right occupation and Mary who could be the witness!
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 July 17 22:28 BST (UK) »
Ellen Parkinson married William Henry Hammond in 1879 at Stockport. Civil marriage or Registrar attended.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 July 17 22:33 BST (UK) »
The William H Hammond in Dukinfield was a Book keeper in a Cotton mill.