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I'm searching records on Patrick Kearns & Margaret Griffith parents to Mary Kearns b: 1824 Dundee,Angus Scotland .Mary married James Smith in Lancashire England in 1845 & arrived in Brisbane Australia in 1865 on Queen of the South.
I have found a baptism record for Mary's sister Margaret at St. Andrews Dundee Angus in 1834.
Unfortunately I have had no luck finding any further information on the parents of Mary.
Any tips would be greatly appreciated

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Hi there

When you are doing these searches, a couple of things to consider.

The family look to be Roman Catholic going by sister Margaret's entry that you have https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY91-9M4

RC records can be harder to find pre the start of official registration in Scotland from 1855. Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk do have some RC parish records. From the general index there, can't see Mary's entry but there are some siblings (twins) showing:

John and Ann CAIRNS -  parents PATRICK CAIRNS/MARGARET GRIFFITH
b. 28/4/1840 and bpt. 29/4/1840 at Dundee, St Andrew's

The surname Kearns will have lots of spelling variants, such as Cairns above.

Patrick and Peter are common variants so worth checking for both names www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=patrick

Have you searched for the family in the early censuses?

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Many thanks Monica
I did find Margaret's record in scotlands people but no hit for Mary. I missed the twins so will have a look,many thanks for that.
 I haven't found anything in the census records or in the English census for
Mary . Thankyou for the tips on the name variants I would never have thought Peter could be Patrick.


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It's an obvious remark, but if there are baptisms for 1824, 1834 and 1840, there are probably a lot more siblings around somewhere!

Bev
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia


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Hi K8,

Have you found the family in either Scotland or England on 1841/1851 census?

Although the 1841 doesn't specify birth places it will have whether or not born in county, signified by 'Y' or 'N' (Yes or No).

Griffith seems much a Welsh name (I may of course be wrong here)! ?

Do you have an occupation for Patrick/Peter from Mary's marriage, siblings baptisms or any other docs?

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Hi Annie
I have only managed to find an 1861 English census for Anne who is visiting her sister Mary Smith,husband James & children in Poplar Middlesex .
I have baptisms for Anne,John (28th April 1840 St Andrews Dundee) &  Margaret (9 th March 1834
St Andrews Dundee)
Cheers
Kat


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Patrick's occupation on Mary's death cert is a Clerk.

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I think this census entry for 1851 is correct though the father's occupation is wrong:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGCZ-GF7

Sutton, East Riding of Yorkshire

Patrick Kerwins    Head    M    54    Ireland
Margaret Kerwins    Wife    F    52    Ireland
Ann Kerwins    Daughter    F    11    Scotland
John Kerwins    Daughter    M    13    Scotland   <---- needs a look at the original
Margret Kerwins    Daughter    F    18    Scotland
Mary Smith    Daughter    F    28    Ireland

Page Number    29
Registration Number    HO107
Piece/Folio    2360 / 100

Bev

Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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That is a great find, Bev. Looks really promising  :)

Monica
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