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Birth registration quarters - a question
« on: Monday 24 July 17 09:16 BST (UK) »
Hello

Wondering if anyone could help me please. 

Is it possible a baby could be born beginning of June but birth could be in the Jul-Aug-Sep quarter if the birth wasn't registered until maybe end of June, beginning of July?

In other words I've found a possible birth of interest (long story)  but it's in the aforementioned quarter but my relative was born 6th June. I don't want to buy certificate if it turns out to be wrong date of birth.

Any help with this would be most appreciated.

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Sophie  :)

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Re: Birth registration quarters - a question
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 July 17 09:18 BST (UK) »
Current legislation gives you 42 days in which to register a birth.
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Re: Birth registration quarters - a question
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 July 17 09:22 BST (UK) »
I think you are safe sending for the certificate

You have 6 weeks in which to register a birth, so a baby born towards the end of one quarter could very well not be registered until the start of the next quarter

The registers are indexed by registration date, not birthdate
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Re: Birth registration quarters - a question
« Reply #3 on: Monday 24 July 17 09:25 BST (UK) »
Thank you!

Would this be the case in 1916? ??? Should maybe have mentioned this important piece of info! ;D


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Re: Birth registration quarters - a question
« Reply #4 on: Monday 24 July 17 10:20 BST (UK) »
I think it may have been 42 days for quite a while.

My grandfather was born 24th December 1873 and was registered 18 days later - 11th January 1874 so everyone else with him on their tree has 1874 as his birth year.  ;D
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Re: Birth registration quarters - a question
« Reply #5 on: Monday 24 July 17 10:24 BST (UK) »
The period of 42 days for a birth registration has been the same since the beginning of civil registration, and it is common to find registrations in the quarter following the birth.
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Re: Birth registration quarters - a question
« Reply #6 on: Monday 24 July 17 12:06 BST (UK) »
I have wondered for some time about the 42 day rule/regulation/law. And more to the point, what if the time is exceeded? Is there a penalty and who is liable for it?

My cousin's birth was not registered for about 50 years. She had a NI number, but that, of course, is not dependant on birth registration in this country - EU nationals get them. It was not till she won a foreign holiday and required a passport that it came to light. There was some faffing around with officialdom, but the situation was resolved very quickly.

My wife's sister-in-law's live-in-lover died, was cremated and his ashes scattered at a very emotional ceremony and still his death was not registered. The S i L was in and out of hospital and could not do it and in the end it was down to my wife and I to register the death - only ones with a car, or willing to do the 90 mile round trip. It was almost 4 months before we got an appointment.

The point being, on both these occurrences, there was no mention of a "late fee" or some such. In the second example, everybody in the village knew he was dead - were we all complicit in disobeying the regulations?

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Re: Birth registration quarters - a question
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 July 17 12:20 BST (UK) »
In theory, you can be fined for late registration of births -- but how often this actually occurs, I don't know
In early times the birth date was often juggled on registration to avoid a penalty

How you managed not to register a death is more surprising -- in my experience the first thing the Funeral Director asks for is the form from the Registrar showing registration has taken place
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Re: Birth registration quarters - a question
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 July 17 12:39 BST (UK) »
I think it may have been 42 days for quite a while.

My grandfather was born 24th December 1873 and was registered 18 days later - 11th January 1874 so everyone else with him on their tree has 1874 as his birth year.  ;D

I have an ancestor born 24 Nov 1879 and his birth registered in early Jan 1880 so he appears in the Jan, Feb, Mar 1880 quarter, and yes, cousins who also share him as an ancestor have 1880 as his DOB, or even March 1880.

As said the BMD registers are indexed quarterly by the date of the registration, not the event itself. So say for instance someone was born 28th November 1923 but their birth registered on the 2nd January 1924 it will appear in the Jan, Feb Mar quarter of 1924 births.
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