Solomon CARO

[daffyduck]

Solomon Caro came to Birmingham UK in the 1840s from Poland, marries Elizabeth Hobbins and went to California to trade with his brother Morris Shloss (?half brother). He drowned off the Oregon coast in 1851 leaving his son Charles Morris and Elizabeth in Birmingham. Does anybody know anything about Solomon?

[Kay99]

Welcome to RootsChat Daffy 

You probably have this but for reference the marriage to Elizabeth is online on Anc

Solomon Caro - Jeweller - Full age - father Soloman Caro -Publican
Elizabeth Hillman Hobbins - Full age - father Charles Hobbins - Publican
18 Oct 1847 Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire,
Witnesses - Edwin and Sophia Grice

Kay

[garstonite]

www.freebmd.org.uk
dec qtr 1847 Solomon married Elizabeth HILLMAN Hobbins in Kings Norton
did you know she had the middle name Hillman ?
Charles Morris Caro born dec 1848 Birmingham
John Solomon Caro born sep 1850 Birmingham - is this another son ??...answer -yes - sadly he died March 1851 - so when did Solomon die in 1851  - was it after march ?  did Elizabeth go to Oregon as well ?
ADDED
www.geneanet.org
Soloman the publican is down as living in St George East ,Middlesex ,London
Solomon the Jeweller who died in 1851 is down as living in Balshall Heath ,Birmingham
2 different tree owners - so you have to decide if their familytree info is correct ? 
have you found both Solomon Caro in 1841 census ??

[Kay99]

2 May 1854  Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Caro Age 27 Widow - Father Charkes Hobbins remarries  to John Bayliss

Kay

[daffyduck]

My wife (a much more expert genealogist than I) has been chasing Solomon CARO for over 30 years. I am very new to Roots and do not know how much info to put on a post. We know Solomon came to the UK from Poland before 1848, We have his marriage cert and the birth certs of his two sons. We know he went to California to work with his brother in 1850 and drowned off the coast of Oregon on 31st Jan 1852. My wife found (on line) letters between him and his son (who followed his father to the USA to work with his uncle) to their mother back in the UK. Morris SHLOSS wrote a memoir about his life that we have, but establishing the actual relationship between Morris SHLOSS and Solomon CARO is proving impossible at the moment. Help!!

[ArgonautDan]

It seems that Morris was Solomon senior's wife's second husband. I can track her down living in San Francisco later in the 1800s.
Both Solomon's are great grandparents of mine and is love to track down a little more about their story, especially that memoir and letters. I'm also really struggling to find any documentation about where both Solomon's came from in Poland, and any records except for Solomon junior's marriage.

[daffyduck]

My husband and I have read your reply to RootsChat about Solomon Caro.  My husband is a Caro and Solomon who went to San Francisco in 1850/1 is his great great grandfather.  If I tell you what I have found then you can probably take it from there and hopefully perhaps fill in some of the picture for us.
If you Google “Morris Shloss” there is a lot of information about him and there are the details of the memoir he wrote which you can print off the internet.  There are details of the letters sent from Solomon Caro to Betsy (his wife in England) but I don’t know if these can be downloaded. Copies of these letters are held in California.
As far as I am aware Morris Shloss was born in Russian Poland in 1827.  His parents were Alexander Shloss and Esther (Ester) Gosh.  He went to California during the Gold Rush and it was here that he asked his “brother” Solomon Caro to join him and change his name from Caro to Shloss.  Morris always referred to Solomon as his “brother.”  Morris married his own niece, Esther, and had several children with her.  He then divorced her as she was his niece. Marrying one’s niece was allowed under Jewish law but not allowed under Californian law.  I think he used it as an excuse to get rid of Esther.  He then married Rosa Tobias with whom he had one son.  Morris died in 1913.
I have Solomon Caro’s marriage certificate to Elizabeth Hobbins which states that his father is Solomon also but I haven’t ever been able to find any trace of this senior Solomon at all.
Solomon junior was drowned off the coast of Oregon in 1852 when the ship he was on (The General Warren) foundered on Clatsop spit and most of the passengers were lost. At this time he was known as Solomon Shloss.
This is a very short summary of all the papers that I have and I am happy to answer specific questions.  Can you tell us where you fit into the family tree and how you found out about the relationship between Morris Shloss and Solomon Caro senior’s wife.  Sounds rather bizarre but I get the feeling that Morris was a bit of a one off!!

[ArgonautDan]

Thanks so much for that context - I read the four page memoir and together with a page of news clippings I found on Morris Schloss, it is certainly an eye opener!! I think I'd agree with your assessment, he was a real pioneer -

Solomon is also my great (x3 or 4) grandfather and he's proving to be a bit of a dead end in the tree, but I'm loving learning about his history and story - I'm starting to wonder whether the Solomon Caro Senior in the marriage certificate is actually an error - it's strange that there is just no other record of him in the UK. I'd love to understand where in Poland their heritage is from, but I'll save that mission for another day

I don't know if it's possible to share where you found the letter archive, that's the one thing that I can't find online and I'd be curious to read the personal story which goes with this. Great to get to know a distant cousin!

[daffyduck]

I too have just looked online but have been unable to find the letters which is a shame as they had been there for years.  Still you found Morris’ autobiography.

You didn’t say where you obtained the information about Morris marrying Solomon’s second wife because that doesn’t fit at all with the information I have.  I have long thought that Solomon junior stating that his father was also Solomon and a publican was probably unlikely.  Strangely enough when Solomon junior’s son, Charles Morris Caro, got married in Manchester cathedral he too gave an incorrect name for his father.  He gave the name Charles Morris Caro instead of Solomon Caro.  This caused me decades of fruitless work looking for somebody that didn’t exist.  I don’t know if it was a clerical mistake by the vicar or simply an attempt by Charles Morris Caro to cover up his Jewish heritage.  Whatever the reason it was solved by a lady from Israel who I used to be in contact with until she felt she was too old to carry on working.

We have no idea which part of Poland Solomon came from or when he came to England – he is not listed on the 1841 census so we guess he came after that and went to California in 1850/1.  I cannot find him on any of the ships coming into the UK and there aren’t any naturalization papers that I can discover.  If my memory serves me correctly he was a jeweller – selling jewellery I guess, not making it.

My husband is interested to know if you are a Caro by name and in the UK or elsewhere.  We know that part of the family is abroad but we don’t have any contact with them as this bit of the tree was given to us by someone else.

Would love to know a bit more about you.