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Indenture 1702
« on: Saturday 26 August 17 11:38 BST (UK) »
 Can anyone explain the "hash" signs used here ?
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: Indenture 1702
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 August 17 12:31 BST (UK) »
Also there is a word below Acres on the next line between Henry Cobb and Assignees which I can't read . Can anyone help please
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: Indenture 1702
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 August 17 14:00 BST (UK) »
I think the marks are just space fillers as a gap had been left to enter words which were later deemed unnecessary. I would guess the word before Assingnees is "his" but perhaps the scribe made a mess of it!

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Re: Indenture 1702
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 August 17 16:50 BST (UK) »
I don't believe the word Acres appears on the line above.

The phrase following the hash marks is:  And were late in the possession...

We would need to see the difficult word in its entirety - including anything below the line - to make an informed reading.  Please post a larger clip of that area of the text.

ADDED:

In this case I think the hash marks cover an area of text which was written and then scrubbed out.


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Re: Indenture 1702
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 August 17 19:37 BST (UK) »
Is this any better?
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: Indenture 1702
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 August 17 19:38 BST (UK) »
Here is another example.
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: Indenture 1702
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 August 17 07:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks for providing the extra images.

In the case of Image D, the hash marks look to be for the purpose indicated by Steve earlier.  The document was prepared before the area of the land was known to the writer, so enough space was left for a longer description of the measurement.

The unused space was then filled with hashes.

(This one does have the word Acres after the hashes, as I'm sure you know.)

I'm struggling with the difficult word in Image C.  The third letter looks like an r, which doesn't go with the last letter, which seemingly is h.

The first letter could be a small h.

The only small consolation is that this section has been amended and in part doesn't make grammatical sense.

Without the hashes it reads:

...And to the said Messuage with the aforementioned

Closes and Lands and other Lands and Tenements anciently belonging and therewith used with their and every of their Appurtenances all which said premisses

And were late in the possession of James Neale deceased late father of the said Robert

Neale and now of one Benjamin Marriott and Henry Cobb [?] Assignees or [Assignes?] and were formerly the inheritance of one Robert Neale...


Presumably the And before were late should also have been struck out.

For the [?] word, either of his or their would make sense.  Unfortunately I can't make either word out of what's on the page.

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful.

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Re: Indenture 1702
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 August 17 12:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you both very much for your input. I have just found these documents and they has given me so much information so I am very keen to get the transcription as exact as possible. It's amazing how one land transaction can give the answers to so many questions .
It has told me that my 6xGG father had only one surviving  brother who was heir to the property in Tiffield  and that the land was all sold in 1702 . I now know the brother was a wire drawer of the City of London (so I found his burial) and he had a wife named Ann who he married before 1702.  It told me I had worked out the descent through the family correctly. -that my 7xggmother could sign her name and what it looked like. It also probably explains where my 6xGG father got the money to start up an ironmongers shop after his apprenticeship was completed in 1703. The next page gives loads of details about the land etc, so I will probably be asking for help again!!
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman