Joseph Glover of Hartshorne

[casiocarol]

Hi. I'm new to RootsChat, so bear with me.  I'm trying to trace my 3rd great granfather's parents and have come to a halt.  This worries me as I think I may have gone along the wrong branch at some time, although everything seems to fit so far.
I have him marrying Sarah Bates 22 Oct 1832 at St Michael & All Angels Church, Appleby Magna. Entry 153 in the Parish Register does not give me any information of his parents.  All the Census records 1841 - 1871 state that he was born in Hartshorne (but with varying dates) but I can find no trace of him being born or baptised in Hartshorne, or neighbouring villages, and therefore cannot find his parents.
The name is quite common in this area, but it seems as though there was a migration to this area, presumably for work in the mid 19th century in farming, but then mining became the main occupation and the families drifted away to areas with coal mines.
I know that there is a large generation of Glovers who originated in Devon.  Most seemed to emigrate to the US but maybe some headed north, although I cannot find out for sure.   There were some Glovers in Lancashire, but I cannot establish a connection.
If anyone has a clue as to where the Glover family came from and settled in Hartshorne for a few decades, then I would be very grateful.
There is also another mystery, for which I cannot find an answer. My great grandfather (also Joseph Glover) is buried at Christ Church Linton, along with his wife Frances Glover and one son Enoch and one daughter Alice and her husband Cyril Whibberley.  For some reason each of these graves has been decorated with a 'christmas' type wreath, and it is evident from photos taken some years ago and some which I took in 2016 that these wreaths have been changed.  I asked a local member of the church if they knew if anyone was connected to the Glover family, but no one knew anything.  I did ask if they could put a note on the graves to ask whoever it was to contact them, and pass the message to me, but they forgot to put the note out.
I don't know whether RootsChat members can help me, but it's worth a try.
Thank you all very much.

[Ruskie]

Welcome to rootschat casiocarol.

You have posted this in the wrong place, but don't worry - I have asked a moderator to move it for you.

Can you confirm that the name of your 3rd g grandfather is Joseph Glover?

[casiocarol]

Sorry I posted in the wrong place.   I found it impossible to find out where I was supposed to post my message.  This was the only place I found.  It really is a very complicated and difficult to understand site.  I still don't know where I should have posted it!
My 3rd Great Grandfather was Joseph Glover.
Thank you.

[trish1120]

You go to Forum (in large blackish bar) click on it and scroll down to any area you want to put a query on;
Eg;
England, then click on Derbyshire, then go to start a new topic... off you go then

FREEREG has Hartshorne Baptisms in the right time frame but no Joseph.

Not sure if this is any help but there is this Marriage;
15 Oct 1839, St Peter, Hartshorn
Thomas BRADLEY, 35, Widower
Mary Ann GLOVER, 29 (c 1810), Spinster, Father WILLIAM Glover, Labourer
A SARAH Glover was a witness to the Marriage.

SARAH Glover, witness may have married age 20, 28 Dec 1840 same Church, same Father William a Labourer.
Marianne Bradley is a witness

Sarahs Bapt is on FreeREG 12 Nov 1820 to WILLIAM/ELIZABETH
Mary Ann 1815 same details

[Ruskie]

I see that Joseph's estimated year of birth from age in census ranges from 1811 to 1816, so not a very large time frame. Sarah is a widow by 1881.

It is possible Joseph was not baptised, was non conformist or was illegitimate which may be why he can't be found on the PRs. I did a bit of googling and did not find anything that said there were any missing years in the PRs. It is also possible that he was born further afield but lived in Hartshorne since he was a youngster and assumed he was born there. Not that that helps you find him of course. 

It could be worth looking for possible siblings for Joseph baptised in Hartshorne in the years before and after 1888-1816 in case it was just him who is missing - you may find a pattern of Glover baptisms.

[jennifer c]

There is a tree for this family on Anc.....

Jennifer

[casiocarol]

Thank you for all your help.  I will try all these suggestions and see what I can find.
Can you also help me with replying to responses to my post?   If I want to respond to one reply, how do I make it just for that person and not, as this is, a general reply to all? Thanks

[Ruskie]

Thank you for all your help.  I will try all these suggestions and see what I can find.
Can you also help me with replying to responses to my post?   If I want to respond to one reply, how do I make it just for that person and not, as this is, a general reply to all? Thanks

Click on their name or the scroll under their name (which is green if they are currently logged in). Then follow the prompts to send them a Personal Message (PM).