Philp Bullock Death

[Mansl]

Still awaiting the certificate. I have now got the 1939 image of Philip he as been unredacted. since last year. The 1939 register is unlimited and free at our library and the records office.

It seems is family that adopted him called him Philip but his official name was Peter Philip on his birth and death.

Alan

[Ladyhawk]

Thank you for the update - I hope the dob on the birth certificate matches that of the 1939 register?

[Mansl]

I have the certificate and it states he was born 7/7/1918. Where as the other date was 17/7/1918.

I am sure its the same person.

It says is mother was Edith Mansell munitions worker from Warwick Road, Tyseley.

Now I have two Edith Mansell's both born 1892.

Before I can work out which one it is I have to get another certificate. Alfred Lynes to Edith Mansell March qtr 1915 Shoreditch 1c 79.
because I have to find out Edith's father's name on that certificate is it James or Arthur?(hopefully Arthur) it would make sense then.

I know that Edith isn't the mother of Peter because they had a child Vera K Lynes in 1918 in London.

On the certificate it as Edith's mother's name but I can't make out what her first name is.

Peter Philip's niece said she always thought Peter's mother was an Edith Goode who she met once, well I have found a marriage 1941 Edith Mansell to Walter G Goode.

Alan

[Ladyhawk]

I have the certificate and it states he was born 7/7/1918. Where as the other date was 17/7/1918.

Now I have two Edith Mansell's both born 1892.

Before I can work out which one it is I have to get another certificate. A

Alfred Lynes to Edith Mansell March qtr 1915 Shoreditch 1c 79.
because I have to find out Edith's father's name on that certificate is it James or Arthur?
(hopefully Arthur) it would make sense then.

I know that Edith isn't the mother of Peter because they had a child Vera K Lynes in 1918 in London.

Can't view original m/c Transcription only  - probably transcription error with Edith's surname
father is James not Arthur 

7 Mar 1915 St Augustine Haggerston Hackney
Alfred Louis Lynes 24 father John Joshua Lynes
Edith Hansell father James

Alfred L Lynes Age:   4 born 16 Jun 1890
Admission Date:   26 Mar 1895  School:   Gayhurst Road School
Admission Place:   Hackney, London, England
Father:   John Lynes

From 1919 to 1932  on London Electoral Register living
195 Richmond Road
Alfred Louis Lynes, Edith is with him on later dates
Also these surnames Fuller & Sullivan, Skinner at same address various years

1934/35 address 98 Samuel Lewis Trust Dwellings (Amhurst Road)
Alfred Louis & Edith Lynes

Free search 1939 register - you need to look at the original to see if they have combined two families

Chingford M.B., Essex
Edith Lynes 1892 click preview
Vera K Lynes 1918 plus one other person

Alfred L Lynes 1890 click preview
Doris E Scott 1911 plus one other person

[Mansl]

Hi Lady its now complicated but I will try to explain very carefully. James and Arthur are brothers and there sister is Louisa Bullock the person who adopted Peter.

Edith who married Alfred Lynes parents James and Mary Ann(died 1928)

Edith born 4/8/1892 Yardley Sept qtr 1892 Solihull 6d 572., Bapt. 28/8/1892 St Edburgha Yardley
1901 aged 8 living at Church Street, Yardley with parents.

1911 RG14PN16850 RG78PN1043 RD366 SD1 ED24 SN164.
or
1911 RG14PN18660 RG78PN1115 RD392 SD1 ED22 SN17.

...

Other Edith born 1892 Tyseley, Acocks Green, Sept qtr 1892 Solihull 6d 578. no Bapt.

Parents Arthur and Fanny(died1909). Arthur remarried 1911 Annie Jackman.(so her real mother wasn't alive when Peter was bornbut on the certificate it says mother something Mansell looks like Her with the r joined to the M in Mansell.

1901 aged 9 living at Bushy Lane, Yardley with her parents and sisters.
That's all I have on her one of those 1911 is her.

The certificate says maiden name of mother Edith Mansell munition worker of Tyseley Cottage, Warwick Road, Tyseley, Birmingham. Signature description and residence of informant Her Mansell mother Tyseley Cottage.

It does make sense for it to be this one because I think she went on and married Walter G Goode in 1941, I think he died in 1955 aged 61 and she died in Coventry aged 71 in 1964.

Alan

[Ladyhawk]

Edith who married Alfred Lynes parents James and Mary Ann(died 1928)

Edith born 4/8/1892 Yardley Sept qtr 1892 Solihull 6d 572., Bapt. 28/8/1892 St Edburgha Yardley
1901 aged 8 living at Church Street, Yardley with parents.

This death entry definitely confirms Edith Mansell daughter of James married Alfred Louis Lyne
and she is the one on the 1939 register with Vera K(athleen)
Dec 1980 WALTHAM/F   15   1125
LYNES   EDITH born 4 AU 1892   

and she is on the London Electoral Register with her daughters dates 1964/65
Epping   Waltham Forest living at 24 Courtland Avenue

Edith Lynes
Edith M Lynes (b1915 mmn Mansell)
Vera K Lynes  (b1918 mmn Mansell)
At no 26 Courtland Avenue
B Scott
D E Scott
S W Scott

Her husband Alfred L Lynes dies aged 68 Sep 1958 Essex S.W. and their daughters
Vera Kathleen Lynes in 2004 & Edith Mary Lynes in 1999

I think you would need to purchase the 1941 marriage to be absolutely certain it's the other Edith
daughter of Arthur

Have you looked to seeif  the other Edith is on the 1939 register and/or checked to see if there's a death with the married surname - if it's after 1969 it should give her dob.

[Mansl]

Hi Lady. Thank you for your time.

I think this is Edith's death. Edith Goode aged 71. Death Reg. Dec qtr 1964 Coventry 9c 755.

I have looked for Edith on the 1939 before but will have another look.

I am going to have a look for Walter George Goode in 1939 because its only 2 years before they get married maybe Edith is with him with his surname.

I had already seen the 1939 Image for the Lynes family a while ago. I had actually put Edith with the right Father. It was just the two 1911 census's I had for both because I can't split them.

Alan

[Ladyhawk]

I had already seen the 1939 Image for the Lynes family a while ago. I had actually put Edith with the right Father.

It was just the two 1911 census's I had for both because I can't split them.

I can’t see an easy answer to decide which Edith is which 
both families were living in the Yardley in 1901

Edith ( dau of James) 1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS8M-PQ6
Edith ( dau of  Arthur)1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS89-923

Edith Mansell with Tolson family 1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7L-9R3
Edith Mansell with Hall family    1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZ5-ZNJ

Do you have a dob for Edith Mansell (dau of Arthur), might help with search 1939 register?

You mention a possible marriage in Coventry

There's entry but born a little earlier

Coventry C.B.   Warwickshire
Edith   Monsell   1891   

I am going to have a look for Walter George Goode in 1939 because its only 2 years before they get married

I wonder if this is his death entry

Walter G Goode age 72 (1880) Dec 1952 Warwick

Just removed probate info. in case it's a different person so sent you a PM instead
with further details



   

[Mansl]

Hi Lady

Just got back from the records office. There are two Walter George's. One born in 20/4/1893 parents Albert and Emma West, who married Bertha Masters in 1917 I have just seen the Parish record of the marriage. Bertha died in 1948. 3 years after Edith married. So I think she married Walter George Goode born 1912 parents Walter George and Laura Annie Watts. I have looked up the Parish records for marriages in 1941 but no luck so I think its a registery office marriage, I have just sent for the certificate. I never looked at 1939 for Walter b.1912 because never realised until I got home that it wasn't the 1893 born one.

Alan