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The 2 or 3 RC Parishes Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« on: Friday 15 September 17 06:55 BST (UK) »
The attached image is from the NLI RC parishes map http://registers.nli.ie/#home_map with the bit of interest in yellow - almost looks like this, doesn't it --> :)
If I zoom in on the NLI map the right eye is Kilpadder and the left eye is Kilshannig.

If I look at the East Cork RC parish map on Irish Ancestors https://www.johngrenham.com/browse/counties/rcmaps/corkerc.php#maps/ the smiley face bit is labelled 'A' with a note that 'A above - Kilpadder Killshannig Glountane'. But Glountane is four parishes away to the SW, just beyond Mallow.

So what RC parish does the yellow bit come under - is it really Glountane ? And what are the extents of Kilpadder and Kilshannig RC parishes ?

(edited to add the final RC in bold after mention of Kilshannig Civil Parish in some of the responses. Edited the topic title to change Dioceses to Parishes)
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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Re: The 2 or 3 RC Dioceses Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 September 17 07:29 BST (UK) »
The variant name for Glounthane, Cloyne is Glantane
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0055
There is a note on Kilpadder register and the Kilshannig register 'This register is bound into Glantane register.'
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0110
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0111

Which might explain why John Grenham has the name Glounthane listed at that spot.

Exactly what 'This register is bound into Glantane register' means I'm not sure.

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Re: The 2 or 3 RC Dioceses Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 September 17 09:15 BST (UK) »
It gets even more confusing when you looking at the places in this parish on Irish Ancestors.
Both Kilpadder RC and KilshannigRC link to Kilshannig Civil Parish and Glounthane RC links to Kilshannig and Ballydeloughy Civil Parishes.

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Re: The 2 or 3 RC Dioceses Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 September 17 09:55 BST (UK) »
If I'm reading the map correctly the 'like a smiley' area is in the Civil Parish of Ballydeloughy
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,575451,609686,7,7
and the Civil Parish of Kilshannig is in the area of  RC parish of Glounthane
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,549080,592091,6,7

Which begs the question why does the 'smiley' parishes link to Kilshannig Civil Parish and not Balldeloughy Civil Parish ???

The links aren't working the way I wanted, when I linked them they had a red line outlining the civil parishes but the lines aren't showing when you use the link.
The only way to see it is to use search-Cork-Historic Parish  but even than it's only giving the name of the parish you search for and not the name of the surrounding parishes and I can't get it back the way I had it.


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Re: The 2 or 3 RC Dioceses Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 September 17 10:02 BST (UK) »
A Civil Parish is a Civil Parish.
A Religious Parish is a Religious Parish.

2 different things!
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Re: The 2 or 3 RC Dioceses Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 September 17 10:04 BST (UK) »
A Civil Parish is a Civil Parish.
A Religious Parish is a Religious Parish.

2 different things!
Yes of course but Irish Ancestors gives you the Civil Parishes in each RC Parish that's how you find the place names in each RC parish.

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Re: The 2 or 3 RC Dioceses Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 September 17 10:20 BST (UK) »
A Civil Parish is a Civil Parish.
A Religious Parish is a Religious Parish.

2 different things!
Yes of course but Irish Ancestors gives you the Civil Parishes in each RC Parish that's how you find the place names in each RC parish.

Yes, but these are on a particular date in time, it is possible these were in one Parish and then in another..just a thought!
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Re: The 2 or 3 RC Dioceses Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 September 17 10:37 BST (UK) »
 The local Catholic parish was named Kilshannig Parish until the Reformation when it became a Church of Ireland parish and therefore a Civil Parish. When the penal laws were relaxed in the late 1700's and early 1800's Catholic communities began to openly practice their religion and a new Catholic Church was built in this parish at Glantane in 1821 and the Catholic parish was then named Glantane Parish.

http://historicgraves.com/story/history-newberrykilshannig

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Re: The 2 or 3 RC Dioceses Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 September 17 13:12 BST (UK) »
Now I'm even more puzzled.

So there appear to be two more Kilshannig's in East Cork unrelated to the Kilshannig RC Parish on the NLI RC Parish map.

The Newberry/Kilshannig graveyard from the link in hallmark's last post is just west of Mallow.

If you type 'Kilshannig, Ireland' into Google Maps you get the location just south of Rathcormac.

Wheras the RC Parish of Kilshannig appears to be located near the N73 around Ballindangen (on a modern map).
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)