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Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« on: Tuesday 19 September 17 16:21 BST (UK) »
Thomas PENDER and Brigid JORDAN marry on 31 Dec 1940 in Carlow. Thomas' father is, according to the marriage certificate, Michael Pender, farmer.
I did not find Thomas in the 1911 census, so I assume he was born after 1910. I seem to be unable to find him in IrishGenealogy.ie.  His mother's maiden name is LAFFAN (based on the records of Thomas' brother James Pender (born 1901, Carlow; he marries in 1944 Brigid's sister Mary Jordan)).
I do find in FindMyPast the birth of a Thomas Christopher Pender, Carlow 1912 first trimester (vol 3, page 315). That birth, however, I cannot find in IrishGenealogy, and FindMyPast does not have the mother's maiden name. Furthermore, the "Christopher" bit has me worried.

Help in finding the birth of Thomas Pender will be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 16:55 BST (UK) »
Only 3 results for Pender with mother's name Laffan   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kr3/  on irishgenealogy
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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 17:59 BST (UK) »
Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBR3-1Z4

also shows not a twin different page numbers  same quarter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBR3-Y53
also not on civil index on IrishGenealogy

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 18:30 BST (UK) »
Thomas Christopher was born Christmas Eve 1911 and registered in Jan 1912
unfortunately his parents are Thomas and Winifred Tracey of Borris
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01500/1609712.pdf

found that by going through the Jan Feb March births page by page

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Borris/Borris/309707/


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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 18:38 BST (UK) »
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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 18:54 BST (UK) »
On the off chance that you may have the wrong family
Michael Pender with son's James and Thomas
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Ballinacarrig/Cloghna/310383/

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 September 17 11:52 BST (UK) »
The family dathai found is of Michael PENDER and Alicia BYRNE that married on Feb 09 1893



Another Michael PENDER married Mary Anne LAFFAN on Feb 13 1899 - LINK

This is the family on the 1901 census - LINK
at 22 in Springhill (Graigue Rural, Queen's Co.)

By the 1911 census they had had three children one of whom died - LINK
living at 6 in Springhill (Graigue Rural, Queen's Co.)

LINK to children's births
Edward Dec 31 1899
James Mar 02 1901
Katherine Jul 29 1902 d. Jan 07 1903 of Influenza


I notice on the marriage of Thomas PENDER and Brigid JORDAN that one of the witnesses is a Dan PENDER - LINK
which is a name in the family dathai found

Could your information about his brother James be incorrect?
i.e. the LAFFAN name
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 September 17 23:05 BST (UK) »
Is this not Thomas Pender in 1911 ?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Ballinacarrig/Cloghna/310383/

Birth of a Thomas Pender Cloghna to a Michael Pender and Alica Byrne on Irish Geneology dated 03 06 1905.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01771/1696994.pdf

Would this be the parents marriage?09 02 1893 Michael Pender(Rossmore) and Alica Byrne(Rossmore) married in Graigue church.Parents Daniel Pender and John Byrne both deceased.Witnesses John Pender and Annie Mcwey.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10590/5858156.pdf
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley Colman Deegan Dunne Maher Dempsey Conlon Griffin Bergin Lalor Keys Bonham Brennan Hart(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Mullen Hanaway Brennan Keeffe Reddy (Carlow)
O'Neill Doyle Donnelly Devlin  (Tyrone) Connor, Burbidge,McNally (Dublin)Hannon McCarthy (Tipperary)Healy Miley Treacy (Wicklow)Kelly (Kildare)

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 September 17 23:16 BST (UK) »
On the 1901 census you have Michael Pender and Alica (Byrne?) living in Cloghna, Carlow with family Dan 6 James 3 Mary 2 and Kate 1.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Ballynacarrig/Cloghna/1040143/

Also on 1901 census you find Michael Pender and Mary Anne (Laffan?) living in Springhill Graigue with family Edward 1 and James 0.
Is this Michael birth (02 03 1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01963/1757505.pdf

Is this the parents marriage?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10372/5776501.pdf
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley Colman Deegan Dunne Maher Dempsey Conlon Griffin Bergin Lalor Keys Bonham Brennan Hart(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Mullen Hanaway Brennan Keeffe Reddy (Carlow)
O'Neill Doyle Donnelly Devlin  (Tyrone) Connor, Burbidge,McNally (Dublin)Hannon McCarthy (Tipperary)Healy Miley Treacy (Wicklow)Kelly (Kildare)