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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 10 October 17 10:32 BST (UK) »
Regarding Luesly it can't be her as she'd have been 54 when last child was born?
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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 10 October 17 11:24 BST (UK) »
Mary Elizabeth Lucsby (Luesly)
Baptism date: 4 Aug 1850 Quadring
Mother: Elizabeth

Did that child die young?

Elizabeth had Mary ELizabeth COLEMAN in 1863, as found above.

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Birth, Sep 1863 Spalding 7a 291
Coleman, Mary Elizabeth     
mother Leusley 
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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 10 October 17 12:44 BST (UK) »
Birth registrations:

Gertrude Coleman (no mmn listed), Dec qtr 1881 Spalding
Edith M__ Colman, c1887 Lambeth (poss died as Edith Colman aged 23, Dec qtr 1910 Spalding)

Ethel Maud Colman mmn Colman, Jun qtr 1890 Spalding
Lois Margaret Colman mmn Colman, Jun qtr 1894 Spalding
Thomas Henry Colman mmn Colman, Jun qtr 1896 Spalding
Joseph Frederick Colman mmn Coleman, Sep qtr 1899 Spalding
Beatrice Emily Sarah Colman mmn Coleman, Mar qtr 1903 Spalding
Frances Miriam Colman mmn Coleman, Sep qtr 1904 Spalding

Have you thought about obtaining the first two birth certificates to see if it reveals anything
that might be helpful regarding parent/s?

Have you found a baptism/christening record for Gertrude or Edith ?

Their sister Beatrice Emily Sarah Colman (index only)
15 Feb 1903 Baptism Gosberton, Lincoln, England
Father: Thomas Henry Colman  Mother: Mary Elizabeth

Christening Registers

What if the parents were unmarried?    Would the father's name be listed in the parish register? Likely not. The mother may give his name and the cleric might record "reputed father", but this was not required. Under Civil Registration, the father had to be present in order for his name to be recorded on a birth certificate

An illegitimate child legally took its mother's surname. Whether he or she changed it later or not was entirely up to him or her, or those acting on the child's behalf
The above from Lincolnshire Church and Parish Records
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/churchrecs#MarriageLic

Gertrude's m/c I would assume would name Thomas Henry as her father, so would be of no help

Her children from her marriage (1899 Spalding) to Arthur James Facey all have mmn Colman/Coleman
1901c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSDH-XPB
1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7YQ-LLG

1901c gives Gertrude’s yob 1879 and 1911 yob 1882 pob Gosberton, Lincolnshire
Gertrude Facey died 1943 Spalding age 62

Freesearch 1939 Register surname Facey Spalding RD
Arthur 1877, Gertrude 1881, Alfred H H A 1913, Frank 1917



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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 10 October 17 16:50 BST (UK) »
Re Mary Elizabeth Luesly in 1850-51, she was the granddaughter of Joseph and Mary.

Joseph Leusley was given as the father of Elizabeth who married John Coleman in 1855, the presumed parents of Elizabeth Coleman in 1863. They had other probable children prior to that, including George and James in 1859 and Isaac and Jacob in 1861. Each set of twins had the same baptism date but I can't find one for Elizabeth.

Mary Elizabeth in 1850 may be related to Elizabeth Coleman of 1863.

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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 10 October 17 16:59 BST (UK) »
Mary Elizabeth in 1850 may be related to Elizabeth Coleman of 1863.

Mary Elizabeth Lucsby (Luesly)
Baptism date: 4 Aug 1850 Quadring
Mother: Elizabeth

Did that child die young?

Elizabeth had Mary Elizabeth COLEMAN in 1863, as found above.

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Birth, Sep 1863 Spalding 7a 291
Coleman, Mary Elizabeth     
mother Leusley 

That's why I wondered what happened to the first one.  :-\
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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 10:09 BST (UK) »
Logically speaking it would seem that Mary Elizabeth could have been the widow of John Coleman and then got involved with Thomas H Colman but whether they ever got married seems to be the mystery? Could Gertrude be from Mary's marriage to John or am I barking up the wrong tree? And where does Edith's mother fit in?
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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 10:41 BST (UK) »
I think this may be the first Mary Elizabeth:

LIENSLEY, ELIZABETH age 3 1853 D Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 193

The register shows the name as Leusley of Quadring Eaudike on 3rd November 1853. The transcribed age is 8 but very feint and so probably an error.

1841 Quadring
Joseph Luesbey b 1806 Lincolnshire
Mary Luesbey b 1806 Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Luesbey b 1829 Lincolnshire

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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 12:31 BST (UK) »
I think this may be the first Mary Elizabeth:

LIENSLEY, ELIZABETH age 3 1853 D Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 193

The register shows the name as Leusley of Quadring Eaudike on 3rd November 1853. The transcribed age is 8 but very feint and so probably an error.

Yes, that could be her :)

FreeREG has transcribed the age as 3.
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Re: Thomas Henry Colman or Coleman b Q1 1862 Waldron, Sussex
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 13:08 BST (UK) »
Quote from: dcbnwh
1841 Quadring
Joseph Luesbey b 1806 Lincolnshire
Mary Luesbey b 1806 Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Luesbey b 1829 Lincolnshire

Some related items?
Joseph son of Samuel and Rose Lieusly baptised on 6 Nov 1804 in Gosberton

1851 Census, Eudike, Quadring:
Joseph Luesby (Luesly) Head b 1804 Gosberton, Ag Lab
Mary Luesby (Luesly) Wife b 1802 Holbeach, Ag Labourer's Wife
Mary E Luesby (Luesly) Grand Child b 1851, Quadring

Mary Elizabeth Lucsby (Luesly)
Baptism date: 4 Aug 1850 Quadring
Mother: Elizabeth
Quote from: jonw65

Also in the Spalding union workhouse in 1871
Isaac and Jacob Coleman
Both age 10, both born Quadring
Appears they were twins
Although GRO index has the mother as Leusley on one and Lensley on the other.

Should be able to find in the 1861 census...

Possible for spouse

Birth, Sep 1863 Spalding 7a 291
Coleman, Mary Elizabeth     
mother Leusley

Could be the 7 year old Elizabeth Coleman in the workhouse in 1871
Place of birth Quadring
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRXT-RRX

And in 1881 could be a domestic servant, age 17, in Newborough. Birthplace now Gosberton
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27C-CY9P
Quote from: Geoff-E
I have in an index a marriage of
John COLEMAN to Elizabeth LEUSLEY
(6 Dec 1855 at Quadring, fathers' names John C and Joseph L)

Deaths Mar 1871
COLEMAN    John    44    Spalding    7a   248

Deaths Dec 1865 
Coleman    Betsy   36     Spalding    7a   211

Has anyone found the family on 1861c

Elizabeth (nee Leusley) who married John Coleman in 1855 or any of their possible children?

COLEMAN, JOHN  HENRY     LEWSLEY     1857  M Quarter in SPALDING
COLEMAN, GEORGE               LUESLEY     1859  J Quarter in SPALDING     
COLEMAN, JAMES               LUESLEY     1859  J Quarter in SPALDING     
COLEMAN, ISAAC               LEUSLEY     1861  M Quarter in SPALDING
COLEMAN, JACOB               LENSLEY     1861  M Quarter in SPALDING
    
COLEMAN, MARY  ELIZABETH     LEUSLEY     1863  S Quarter in SPALDING 

Looks as if Jacob Coleman died in 1882 Spalding

And brother Isaac moved to Wales, married Margaret Allen (1880 Neath)
1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HMT9-3T2
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX6-XQB

possible death Isaac Coleman age 57 in Neath 1915
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