Charles Frederick Trinder b 1820-1825, Oxfordshire died-Victoria Australia

[John McElroy]

Charles Frederick Trinder between 1820 & 1825 in, Oxfordshire- England, son of James a stone cutter born in Standlake, Oxfordshire & Rachel ? of Oxfordshire- it was reported in Charlesʼs prison record (post arrival) at Melbourne gaol, that he arrived in Sydney per the vessel the “British Sovereign” at age 17 in 1839 from Deptford, England; as part of the 96th Regiment. His wife was Mary “Molly” Halls...they married Sept 1853 in Greenvale in Victoria, Mary a servant girl aged 20; Charles aged 28 - a Shipwright---he died 1898 Croydon Victoria aged 75 ?
Now I do know Charles was a "Crook"---I'm struggling to believe his 1st marriage was at 28, I don't believe he was a soldier or a Shipwright, more likely a run away convict..any contribution would be greatly appreciated.

[ScobieDrom]

British Sovereign only made one voyage to Australia with convicts and that was on 16 December 1840.  The ship arrived in Van Diemen's Land on 17 March 1841.  There were 20 convicts on board all of which were from Ireland.  Charles Frederick Trinder is not recorded.  Source: convictrecords.com.au

[despair]

There is a Oxfordshire newspaper report from 1847 saying he was transported for 7 years for robbery.

Regards
Roger

[despair]

It looks like he was on board "Hashemy" departing Dec.1848,arriving June 1849.

https://convictrecords.com.au/ships/hashemy/1848

Regards
Roger

[Jamjar]

Not sure why you think it odd that his first marriage would be aged 28. Sounds plausible to me.

There are a few Charles Trinder in Australia in the early 1800s.

When was he in jail?

I'd think that if he was a runaway convict that he wouldn't be using his real name.

Jamjar

[majm]

Charles TRINDER tried Berkshire, arrived per Hashemy 1849, Sydney NSW. 
Ticket of Leave 1849 #0093 for Illawarra district
Ticket of Leave 1851 #0079 for Maitland district

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convicts/indexes

JM

[John McElroy]

Hi & thank you all,
Majm/Despair--Not the "Hashemy" in 1849-- as the year is wrong..he claims 1839 ?
Jamjar--Melbourne Gaol in 1863 for Purgery he did 3 years...he claims in his prison record he was on the "British Sovereign" to Sydney 1839 from Deptford as part of 96th Regiment aged 17 ? (a Convict guarding regiment)-- & discharged in 1844 aged 22 -which seems a bit young. He also claims himself a Shipwright at time of Marriage?--when did he learn that ? (but he was a wood carter after marriage why not a Shipwright ?)
I checked & the "British Sovereign" never arrived in Sydney 1839 but did so in 38 & 40, but only as a passenger ship--Why would they send a 17 year old soldier out on passenger ship ?
Jamjar--Why do I think he had been married b4 aged 28 ?--because almost immediately on getting out of prison he took an Aboriginal mistress & had another 5 children--whilst still living with his wife.
So he clearly was not the most moral bloke
He was the master of mudding the waters, so yes I can't even be sure his real name was Charles, I noted his eldest son was named William ? outside of tradition of the time.

[wivenhoe]

Is this your family?

BDM VIC births

1855 / 1159 TRINDER  Unnamed Male       parents Charles / Mary (Halls)
1856 / 1246 TRINDER  Emma Rosanna      parents Charles / Mary (Hall)
1857 / 13937 TRINDER Rachel                  parents Charles / Mary (Halls)
1862 / 14254 TRINDER  Fanny                parents  Charles / Mary (Halls)
1864 / 14784 TRINDER  Charles               parents Charles / Mary (Halls)

Charles TRINDER in gaol 1864 + 3 years

1867 / 9046 TRINDER  Mercy Prent           parents Charles / Mary (Hall)
1868 / 24230TRINDER Margaret               parents Charles / Mary (Hall)
1870 / 24056 TRINDER Elizabeth                parents Charles / Mary (Hall)
1874 / 16851 TRINDER Christian Ann         parents Charles / Mary (Hall)
1877 / 16758 TRINDER  Rosamond            parents  Charles / Mary (Hall)
1880 / 9913  TRINDER  James Freeland      parents Chas / Mary (Hall)

Death
1872 / 7147 TRINDER John  parents Charles / Mary (Unknown)

The Age 16 Jul 1872
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5864528?searchTerm=%22trinder%
....death of John TRINDER...at death he is identified to be born to unmarried sister of Mrs TRINDER, and raised as her own.....

The Age 17 May 1864
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/155011503?searchTerm=%22trinder%
....perjury matter ...Charles TRINDER.....sister in law Emma HALL........


I think this is the death of Emma HALLS?
1871 / 633 LUGG    Emma parents Halls Joseph K / Margaret (King)
d. ESSE 38yrs spouse Henry LUGG

[Jamjar]

Wivenhoe, I think you'll find that the OP knows all about the family in VIC.

Jamjar