Marriage look up for Catherine Stirling (1840-1898) please

[anne_p]

Catherine Sutherland who married Adam Sutherland bears all the hallmarks of :
Catherine  Cullen Sutherland b 19 Jun 1832 in Edinburgh
Parents: Donald and Helen Sutherland

Catherine Stirling in OP was about 7-8yrs younger than this woman


Various Newspapers
Adam Sutherland was a teacher born in Loth, Sutherland and lived in Leith at 1851.
He became teacher at Irvine Academy
He was also a director of the  of a Building Society in Irvine from which he resigned in 1877
3 yrs old daughter, died  on 6 May 1867 ( un named)

Adam Sutherland died on 6 Mar 1916 at 16 Craigmore Terr, Glasgow
He was the Superintendant of Blantyre and Udston Accident Fund

[Olicana]

Thank you Anne. That proves the family in Scotland is definitely a different family 

[MonicaL]

The 1871 census entry for the Sutherland family being discussed. Daughter Barbara is down as Bruce rather Fraser for her middle name:

Adam Sutherland 43 Teacher Of English b. Seth Sutherland
Catherine Sutherland 38 b. Wenlosen (?), Edinburghshire
Ellen F Sutherland 19 b. Kilwinning, Ayrshire
Barbara Bruce Sutherland 9 b. England
Thomas Sutherland 8 b. England
Catherine L A Sutherland 1 b. Irvine
Robert Simpson 11 boarder
Margaret Thomson 53 nurse servant
Jane Laid 19 servant

Address: Bank Street, Ayrshire

Monica

[MonicaL]

One possible 1880 US census entry here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN88-BKY

Monica

So, we are back to this entry and a death in 1898 

Has the person you are helping considered getting the 1867 West Derby birth cert to try and confirm further details on the parents of that child? What about full details on that 1898 death? 

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just found a likely 1870 US census entry for the family we have in 1880. Adam Sutherland on this shows as born in England rather than Scotland https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8XT-GGY

Family must have moved to the US between 1867-70 from what we now have.

Monica

[MonicaL]

There is an entry in 1861 for an Adam Sutherland, blacksmith, in Dudley, Staffordshire England:

Adam Sutherland 29 blacksmith b. Scotland
Margaret Sutherland 40 b. Scotland
Joseph Sutherland 8 b. Scotland

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M767-HLS

Possible birth details for Joseph? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTRX-35T

Someone has submitted this pedigree file to FS https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3CDK-2WP  Not much detail there that helps further for now.

Monica

[anne_p]

It's definitely the same family Monica.
New York City at 1870 and Hudson, New Jersey 1880

One child only on each return .

Oilcana is researching on behalf of another person.
Who is this person descended from?

[Millmoor]

Note that the Adam Sutherland showing in Dudley in 1861 is not present on the 1871 census although Margaret showing as a married lodging house keeper.

(Also draw attention to the thread stating that a new gro pilot has started today - £6 for a PDFnon certified birth cert.).

William

[MonicaL]

  Maybe there was no marriage between Catherine (maiden name to be confirmed...) and Adam Sutherland, blacksmith?

All guesswork. If we have the right entry for 1861 for Adam, married to a Margaret Siclair, perhaps Adam and Catherine met, had Catherine b. 1867 and left for the US by 1870 census?

There is this likely entry in 1871 for Margaret and son Joseph https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDDZ-62M

Some possible census entries for Joseph:

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-QD3P
1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WSRT-1W2
1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS7N-WT9

The marriage of this Joseph to Jemima Slater in 1867/Dudley might have more details re his father perhaps.

Monica