Marriage look up for Catherine Stirling (1840-1898) please

[MonicaL]

Who is this person descended from?

Anne, Olicana mentioned earlier that she was a gg granddaughter of Catherine (not sure whether Snr or her daughter).

Monica

[Millmoor]

Dont think this has been mentioned- they are on the 1895 New Jersey census in North Bergen township

Adam Sutherland
Catherine Sutherland
Wong I Gon
Catherine Gon
William Gon
Christina Gon

1900 census has Cathereine jnr as Catherine Gencen - immigration year given as 1872.

William

[MonicaL]

Wonder if Adam is still around by 1900, William? I couldn't easily see him.

These may be Adam's roots? From 1851 Scotland:

Joseph Sutherland 49 shoemaker b. Clyne? Sutherland
Mary Sutherland 44 b. Loth, Sutherland
Adam Sutherland 20 blacksmith b. Latheron, Caithness

Address: Bagholes, Sutherland

Monica

[anne_p]

Adam Sutherland in Dudley at 1861 certainly seems to be much younger than his wife and vanishes after 1861

This suggests that "if" he is the same Adam, he and Catherine were  probably never married.
The daughter ? Possibly was not born as Sutherland.

AND... it also seems that the "wrong" Adam Sutherland who married Catherine Sutherland will  probably be connected to this one.
Same name and  and both connected to Loth

[MonicaL]

Still no sign of the surname Stirling for the Catherine born c. 1840, with Adam in the US, mother of Catherine Jnr. We still only have an approx birth year, Scottish birth and possible parents showing as a William and Margaret from her death cert (with no additional surnames indexed there that help).

She could be anybody really...unless we get confirmation of her maiden name. Olicana, how did the person you are helping connect Catherine to the Stirling family?

The only surname we have for her was a maiden name of Sutherland from that 1867 birth in Liverpool for Catherine Jnr 

Adam seems to be shaping up though 

Monica

[Olicana]

Wow! So much information! Thank you all very much.

how did the person you are helping connect Catherine to the Stirling family?

As far as I know, it was just generally known in the family that her name was Catherine Stirling before marriage, but I will email her to ask. Ironically, it was Mr Sutherland that little was known about! 

[anne_p]

How do you know that the woman named Catherine Sutherland who died in NY 1898 is the correct person?

This family were in NJ at 1895.
Adam appears on NY directories up until 1891 but, the address showing on them is still the NJ address

I am almost certain that the child named Catherine Stirling who appears to have been born to the couple in Kirkintilloch, died in infancy.
She does not appear on any census other than 1841.

Stirling is/was a very common name in Scotland
My own my own family tree for example....
I have at multiple unconnected families called Stirling from the early to mid 1800's
They originate in Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire, Ayrshire, Aberdeenshire and Dunbartonshire yet they have no connection to each other

[Olicana]

Hi Anne. I will ask further, but it is my understanding that her descendants are confident that the lady who died in NY is their ancestor. Perhaps they have confused one Catherine Stirling with another, as it is quite a common name, and they may be looking at the wrong Stirling family in Dunbartonshire.

Would viewing Archibald's death confirm how many children William and Margaret had (boys/girls, alive/deceased), as suggested earlier? I have checked the National Records Office of Scotland website, and I can't see anything about siblings' information being recorded in the registers but, if so, it would be the best method of confirming whether Catherine died in infancy.

[anne_p]

I don't think the 1855 death cert will mention siblings.

I hold a few 1855 death certs for children/ unmarried individuals but, siblings are not mentioned on any.

If the deceased was married/widowed then the 1855 death cert would list all children born to the marriage, both living and deceased

Edit

I also hold a few 1855 birth certs.
They give a lot of info on the parents but, none that I have mention other children born to the same couple.

I have looked for any sign of Adam's and or Catherine's emigration to the US and can find none.
He was in England at 1861 and found in the US at 1870. 9yr window for emigration

However, at 1870 Catherine and Catherine Jnr are both in the household and info suggests that their window for emigration was 3yrs. 1867-1870.

It may be unlikely but, there is still the possibility that Adam is not the child's biological father.
They could have become a couple in the US shortly before the 1870 census