Who is Elizabeth/Lizzie/Eliza Brophy's father

[annclare]

Possible baptisms of siblings showing in 1901 Census and an EliZabeth Brophy birth record in dublin 1879

Thomas Brophy   Date of Birth:   10-Jan-1864
        Date of Baptism:   cordReNo
Address:      Parish/District:   Tullamore
Gender:      County   Co. Offaly
Denomination:   
Father:   John Brophy   Mother:   Mary Moran
Occupation:         

Mary Brophy   Date of Birth:   11-Apr-1866
        Date of Baptism:   cordReNo
Address:      Parish/District:   Tullamore
Gender:      County   Co. Offaly
Denomination:   
Father:   John Brophy   Mother:   Mary Moran:

Joseph Brophy   Date of Birth:   21-Aug-1867
        Date of Baptism:   cordReNo
Address:      Parish/District:   Tullamore
Gender:      County   Co. Offaly
Denomination:   
Father:   John Brophy   Mother:   Mary Moran   

Civil birth record for Joseph https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03474/2276376.pdf

Bridget Brophy   Date of Birth:   29-Aug-1869
        Date of Baptism:   cordReNo
Address:      Parish/District:   Tullamore
Gender:      County   Co. Offaly
Denomination:   
Father:   John Brophy   Mother:   Mary Moran:   
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1869/2240563a.pdf
      
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02932/2074328.pdf
Elizabeth Brophy birth record parents John Brophy Mary Moran

annclare

[dathai]

Hi Anneclare
                  there are two couples by those names around at the same time one father is a labourer the other a carpenter
Elizabeth born Celbridge 1877 father a labourer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02999/2099118.pdf
baptism 1990 here
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633370#page/139/mode/1up

John Joseph born Dublin 1877 father a Carpenter
number 85
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03012/2103647.pdf

what you are up against
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kw6/

[annclare]

Dathai I agree its very confusing when parents names are duplicated- would tend to favour the Brophy family in Barrack St as this baptismal record seems to fit the John Cormack aged 2 in the 1901 Census.
Civil record  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02050/1784733.pdf

John McCormack   Date of Birth:   29-Jan-1899
        Date of Baptism:   cordReNo
Address:   No_rec   Parish/District:   Tullamore
Gender:      County   Co. Offaly
Denomination:   
Father:   Peter McCormack   Mother:   Lizzie Brophy
Occupation

[dathai]

The Dublin family
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kw7/

the birth of Elizabeth in Sep 1877 in Celbridge coincides with harvest time many agricultural labourers travelled around the country at this time as they were guaranteed a few weeks work.

[annclare]

That definitely excludes Elizabeth B. 1876

The Celbridge birth seems to be very possible/

[dathai]

John 1899 father Peter in Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02050/1784733.pdf

[annclare]

Yes I saw that but Peter on marriage cert gives residence as Ballydaly (Kings) so wonder if he went to Dublin for work. He is v. elusive can't find any likely birth record or any record in 1901 or 1911 Census. Checked military records to see if he joined army but found nothing.

[dathai]

Possible other sibling Timothy born 1872 Rathcoole Co Dublin reg in Celbridge
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03262/2195644.pdf
possible marriage
marriage 1898 to Bridget Fitzpatrick,Tullamore
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10408/5790326.pdf
1901 ?

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Tullamore_Urban/Ruddocks_Lane/561808/
son Robert born July 1911 above address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01518/1616436.pdf

[scatty]

 Morning,Annclare and dathai,

Its been very beneficial following your discussion as it has put a whole new perspective on my Elizabeth B and Peter Mc, a fresh two pair of eyes so to speak, so thank you both.
There is a  WWW1 short service attestation pension record on Anc@@@  but have not posted link in case not allowed due to copyright.
 Peter McC, service number 31155, Royal Artillery,the age way off and marriage date incorrect but I believe this is him.
My grand father John an only child was mostly brought up by his mother Lizzie,father absent a good deal of the time as you discovered.
There are several prison entries over a number of years in the name of P McC but I cannot decide if this is him but he must have been somewhere
The birth place Dublin seems to be consistant on these records with an address of James Street on one of the later records.
I too have not found a Tullamore birth entry for him or a death.
Seems to be the black sheep of my family !!
All I can be positive about is that he was in Tullamore when my father was a young child as he spoke of him and he was there in 1937 when Elizabeth died.

Regards

Scatty