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Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« on: Monday 16 October 17 15:56 BST (UK) »
Hello,

Can anyone locate me a good-quality coat of arms for the Pochin family of Barkby? My branch lived in Wigston, and comes from my 3x great-grandmother, Caroline, who married John Dobson in 1857.

Thanks,

Adam
Lipman family of Aldgate - ends with Lewis Lipman (d. 1871, Bethnal Green), son of John Lipman 'late of Glasgow' (1856)
McGregor family of Fodderty - ends with Alexander McGregor (b. 1765, Fodderty), son of Murdoch McGregor and Kate Stewart

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Re: Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 October 17 18:42 BST (UK) »
The General Armoury lists three -

Pochen, or Poching (Barklay, co. Leicester). Ar. a chev. gu. betw. three horseshoes sa. Crest—A harpy ppr. wings endorsed or.

Pochin (Barkby Hall, co. Leicester; descended from Richard Pochin, who m. Alice, granddau. and eventual heiress of Anne, only dau. and heiress of Walter Power, Esq., of Barkby). Or, a chev. gu. betw. three horseshoes sa. Crest —A harpy, wings ppr. fuU-faced, and tail twisted round the leg.

Pochin (Edmonthorpe Hall, co. Leicester). Same arms and crest.
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Re: Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 October 17 18:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much!
Lipman family of Aldgate - ends with Lewis Lipman (d. 1871, Bethnal Green), son of John Lipman 'late of Glasgow' (1856)
McGregor family of Fodderty - ends with Alexander McGregor (b. 1765, Fodderty), son of Murdoch McGregor and Kate Stewart

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Re: Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« Reply #3 on: Monday 16 October 17 18:47 BST (UK) »
I have used a dark grey rather than black for the horseshoes, as a black outline and black nail-holes are almost impossible to see on a black horseshoe. The College of Arms does this as well and only uses black for emphasis.

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Re: Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 October 17 18:51 BST (UK) »
That's fine. It is excellent quality. Do you have any for the Blewett or Bruin families, also of Leicestershire?
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McGregor family of Fodderty - ends with Alexander McGregor (b. 1765, Fodderty), son of Murdoch McGregor and Kate Stewart

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Re: Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 October 17 19:39 BST (UK) »
Now it starts to get harder.

The General Armoury gives the following (but nothing for Leicestershire) -

Blewet (Cornwall). Or, on a chief gu. three plates.

Blewet (Gloucestershire, and Grenham, co. Somerset). Ar. (another, or) a chev. betw. three eagles displ. vert. Crest - A mort head ppr.

Blewet (Hampshire). Or, an imperial eagle gu.

Blewet (Lincolnshire). Ar. a fesse gu. in chief three lozenges of the second (another, sa.).

Blewet. Or, six eagles displ. gu.

Blewet. Gu. on a chief ar. three lozenges (another, fusils) sa.

Blewett. Or, a chev. betw. six. eagles displ. vert.

Blewett, or Bluett. Gu. an eagle displ. with two heads gu.

Blewit (Holcombe Regis, co. Devon, Visit. 1620). Or, a chev. betw. three eagles displ. vert. Crest—A squirrel sejant or, in his paws an acorn vert fructed of the first.

Bleweitt (Llantarnan Abbey, co. Monmouth). See under Morgan.

There are two, quite different, Blewetts, but it should be remembered that spelling is an adventure and not a science. Brothers quite often spell their surnames differently.

So which one do you think is yours?

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Re: Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 October 17 19:44 BST (UK) »
Judging by location, I would say Lincolnshire. Anything on Bruin? They were from Wigston, Leicestershire.
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Re: Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 October 17 19:50 BST (UK) »
Again, we have a problem, only I think worse.

Bruin, or Bruen. Ar. an eagle displ. sa. armed gu. Crest -  A man ar. with a crutch in the right hand or, and a basket at his back of the last, on a staff of the second.

Bruin. Az. a lion ramp. ar. guttee de sang.

Bruin. Quarterly, gu. and az. four estoiles or.

This time there is no territorial designation to work from. Unless you know for sure that one of these belonged to an ancestor, you could be usurping someone else's arms.

I will work on the Lincolnshire arms.

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Re: Pochin of Barkby coat of arms
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 October 17 19:53 BST (UK) »
Please remember that there is no such thing as a "family" coat-of-arms! :-\

A coat-of-arms is awarded to a named individual, and only he and his direct male descendants may (officially) us the arms.
In Scotland, it is still illegal to use arms to which you are not entitled.

From the College Of Arms:

FAQs: heraldry

Q. Do coats of arms belong to surnames?

A. No. There is no such thing as a 'coat of arms for a surname'. Many people of the same surname will often be entitled to completely different coats of arms, and many of that surname will be entitled to no coat of arms. Coats of arms belong to individuals. For any person to have a right to a coat of arms they must either have had it granted to them or be descended in the legitimate male line from a person to whom arms were granted or confirmed in the past.
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