Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889

[hanes teulu]

There's a military record for a Frederick William Davies, 208 West Copper St, Butte, Mont (born Mountain Ash) on FindMyPast or Ancestry.

[Ladyhawk]

Thank you very much. This must be him.
birth was registered in the Mar Qtr 1874, Pontypridd,  birth registration in this quarter would be entirely plausible if he was born mid December 1873.
I will look to getting his birth certificate to confirm

Yes it would

GRO indexes now give mother's maiden name, you just need to register to search
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

DAVIES, FREDERICK  WILLIAM mmn    PHILLIPS     
1874  M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 333   

Frederick on 1881c with parents and siblings

 RG11; Piece: 5295; Folio: 118; Page: 51
3 and 5 Pryce St
Thomas Davies 44 Carmar: Master Carpenter
Mary Davies 42 Aberdare
Mary A. Davies 21 Mount Ash
Alice  dressmaker
David Davies 16 carpenter’s app.
Sarah J. Davies 13
John T. Davies11
Frederick W. Davies 7 Mount Ash
Margaret E. Davies 4
William Davies 2

1877 Margaret Elllen mmn Phillips
1878 William mmn Phillips
haven't checked all the other births on GRO index to confirm mmn Phillips

dau Mary Ann is aged 11 born Merthyr Tydfil on 1871 census
RG10; Piece: 5378; Folio: 4; Page: 2

possible birth entry
DAVIES, MARY  ANN  mmn PHILLIPS 
1859  J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 315

and possible marriage entry for Thomas & Mary

Dec 1858  Merthyr T    11a   513
Davies Thomas       
Female name on same page
Phillips Mary

There's a military record for a Frederick William Davies, 208 West Copper St, Butte, Mont (born Mountain Ash) on FindMyPast or Ancestry.

Frederick William Davies Enlistment Age:   43
Document Year:   1917
Regimental Number:   156147   Regiment Name:   Royal Army Medical Corps
Number of Images:   11
Form Title:   Short Service Attestation
Name and address of next of kin Sister
Mrs Mary (P)Rowell Tywith Maesteg South Wales

Also mentions country abroad and place from which applicant came to join forces Montana USA
he signed a form confirming he was born 11th December 1873 and his citizenship is British

 

[shellyesq]

Could the sister be Howell?  The 1919 passenger list says his nearest relative in the country that he came from was brother-in-law Rev. David C. Howell, Pembroke House, Nantyffllon, Mesteg.

[Ladyhawk]

Could the sister be Howell?
The 1919 passenger list says his nearest relative in the country that he came from was brother-in-law Rev. David C. Howell, Pembroke House, Nantyffllon, Mesteg.

It was transcribed as Rowell the names have been typed I thought it looked like a 'P' enlarged the image it could be Howell

[Ladyhawk]

Could this be the same person

Rev David Christmas Howell
Publication Year:   1923
Address:   35 Picton Street Nantyffyllon Bridgend
Residence Place:   Wales

David Christmas Howell of 35 Picton Street Nantyffyllon Glamorgan died 18 April 1936
Probate London 2 July to Bleddyn Howell minister of the gospel and William Howell school teacher

FreeBMD gives his age at death as 77 born c 1859

There's this marriage entry but not sure

Jun 1892 Bridgend
David Christmas Howell
Female names on same page
Marianne Thomas
Charlotte Ellen Budd   

EDIT

That's looks to be the correct marriage HOWELL/THOMAS 

HOWELL, BLEDDYN    mmn THOMAS       
1899  S Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 764

1901 Bleddyn & Gwladys M with parents
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91P-PJB

1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXZ-MMX
living Pembroke House wife/mother Marianne pob is Mountain Ash born c 1861 - this matches  with the 1881 census Mary Ann Davies

and birth entry of their dau

HOWELL, GWLADYS  MAY mmn    DAVIES     
1895  M Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 822

[Cas (stallc)]

Think very likely

1911 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXZ-MM8

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llangynwyd/Chapels named as baptist minister

Cas

[roycymru]

Thank you for all this brilliant info. Howells for the sister is definitely right as the obtiuary for Frederick's father Thoma in 1906 mentions his children including "Mrs. Howells (wife of the Rev. Mr. Howells, Maesteg)". UnfortunatelY doesn't give her first name. Sisters were Mary Ann, Alice, Sarah and Margaret Ellen. Does this still tie up with David Christmas Howell as the prospective husband?

I had found the possible marriage of Frederick's father Thomas, ordered and by pure coincidence arrived today. Merthyr Tydfil registry office 27Jun1858, Thomas Davies, 23, Carpenter, father David Davies (farmer, in reality a farm Bailiff) to Mary Phillips, 21, father John Phillips (deceased) "Engine Tender", both give address as Mountain Ash

[Ladyhawk]

I had found the possible marriage of Frederick's father Thomas, ordered and by pure coincidence arrived today.

Merthyr Tydfil registry office 27Jun1858,
Thomas Davies, 23, Carpenter, father David Davies (farmer, in reality a farm Bailiff) to
Mary Phillips, 21, father John Phillips (deceased) "Engine Tender",
give address as Mountain Ash

That's good news to get a result

 Howells for the sister is definitely right as the obtiuary for Frederick's father Thoma in 1906 mentions his children including "Mrs. Howells (wife of the Rev. Mr. Howells, Maesteg)".

UnfortunatelY doesn't give her first name. Sisters were Mary Ann, Alice, Sarah and Margaret Ellen.

Does this still tie up with David Christmas Howell as the prospective husband?

I'm thinking yes but further investigation needed to be 100% certain
 the two different mmn entries on GRO indexes, these appear to be the correct birth entries for their children - am I missing something obvious

HOWELL, GWLADYS  MAY mmn   DAVIES    
1895  M Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 822

HOWELL, BLEDDYN    mmn THOMAS       
1899  S Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 764

census said 3 children 2 living so I've been trying to see if I can match up an entry, so far this is all I've come up with, marriage was 1892

HOWELL, ARTHUR  mmn     THOMAS     
1894  D Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 782   

FreeBMD has Arthur Howell's death age 0 Dec 1894, GRO indexes give age as 1
(which I would presume is 1 month)

possible death entry for David's wife

Marianne Howell  Age:   68 (born c1861)   
Mar 1929 Bridgend Volume:   11a  Page:   1125

1891 census Mary Ann born c1861 Mountain Ash is not with her parents Thomas & Mary and siblings which includes her brother Fred W Davies age 17 grocer's asst. living 65 Duffryn St.
it might help if she can be found on 1891 census

There is this marriage on family search but it's in Pembroke and no father's name given

19 Dec 1882 Amroth, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Thomas Thomas age 21
Mary Anne Davies
ignore the above as this couple can be found on 1891/1901/1911 living in Amroth

ADDED - found David on 1891 census

1 Mill Rd Gelligaer
Wesleyan Chapel next to the above
Visitor D C HOWELL single age 30 Llanwnda, Pembrokeshire occ Student theology
Head David Thomas 36 occ carpenter, wife Elizabeth Thomas 35 occ confectioner