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Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« on: Thursday 26 October 17 09:06 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I know you all love a mystery and this one has me very confused.
I am researching a Martina Elizabeth Fairweather nee Shave born 1892 Marylebone London.
On her marriage in 1919 she list her father as Benedict John Ross ,her birth cert is Walter Shave and mother Harriett Shave new Bailey and her death she is Martina Shaven Fairweather.
She is on the the 1891 census with her mother as Martina head of household (married )and two sisters who are reg as Ross MMN Morris .God knows where Morris comes from
Here is what I think I have discovered Walter Shave  and Harriet Bailey married  had 5 children he died in 1893,she met Bendict J Ross who was still married had 2 more children .She married him in 1916 once his wife died.
I can't find all her 1st marriage children esp Florence and why did she completely change her name and put a false maiden name on the births of her two daughters
Very Confused and have i done it all wrong ,no one on Ancestry who has them on there trees has made a connection with them all ?
I do have lots of info on young Martina it's her mother Martina or Harriet that is confusing me !

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 October 17 09:11 BST (UK) »
She is registered under Martina Elizabeth Shave June qtr 1892
Mother's maiden name Bailey

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 October 17 09:21 BST (UK) »
She is her birth date is 8 May 1892 ,she married as a Ross though to Fairweather .Have the birth cert and marriage of her but the birth is a copy dated in 1939 and father is listed as Walter Benedict Shave so could she have been confused or do they have to put exaçtly what is on the original?


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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 October 17 09:28 BST (UK) »
I would have thought they would have put exactly what is on the original

Martina and Benedict are on electoral register, 1920 to name just one , 18 Gladys Road Camden

Bit of a  mystery this one

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" father is listed as Walter Benedict Shave "

that is really strange as she married a Benedict

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 October 17 09:36 BST (UK) »
That did throw me but I wasn't sure as the copy is in 1939 so could she of suggested her father's middle name was Benedict.
Her two sisters are Marcia Stella Ross born 21 Dec 1898 MMN Morris and Felicitas Garden Ross MMN Morris reg April 1900 .I think Garden is a transcript error as Benedict  father's middle name is Gardner.She lies in 1911 census stating they are married too and from memory I think he puts in one he was born in Scotland !

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 October 17 09:46 BST (UK) »
Also I think I have found 2 sons from her 1st marriage living with her brother Gerorge Bailey on the 1901 census but she had a daughter Florence Maria Shave born 1890 who I think I found in school admissions in 1899 as Flo Shave mothers name Harriet but what happened to her

The most annoying thing is I am not completly sure who is the bio dad of Martina .I am assuming Walter Shave but the birth cert has thrown me with the middle name being Benedict

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 October 17 09:54 BST (UK) »
Any certificate should be a copy of what is on the register entry - there is no option for her to add information to it when it is produced.

Certificates issued at different times can have different information, but only if there has been a correction or re-registration involved at some point (which should be obvious from the wording on the entry).

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 October 17 10:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you Anthony...sadly that info makes it more confusing esp as I can find no other record stating Walters middle name is Benedict
However I do love a mystery 😀

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 October 17 12:59 BST (UK) »
Haven't found out much about Florence Maria but have found a  baptism
19/11/1890
St Augustine's Paddington
address 77 Canterbury Road
father coal porter
parents Walter and Harriet

birth MMN Bailey
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London