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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 26 October 17 13:09 BST (UK) »
1st marriage
1883 Sept qtr
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Walter Shave aged 19 of 62 Denmark Road Kilburn father Walter
to
Harriet Bailey aged 19 of 2 Carigan Road Kilburn father William
ref 1a 603

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 26 October 17 14:43 BST (UK) »

Martina Elizabeth Ross
Baptism Age:24
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 8 May 1892
Baptism Date:11 Oct 1916
Baptism Place: St Simon, Hammersmith, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: Benidict Ross
Mother: Martina Ross

Also by 1902 her school record is using the Gladys road address

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 October 17 15:57 BST (UK) »
I had seen the record in 1916 very late in age for that .
I do think it's more likely that her father was Walter Shave and not Benedict Ross .
I was told by Martina's grandson that he was always told she got her name as her family worked for a rich Italian family and they took the name from them.
I think the mother Martina changed her name as Benedict was still married and also as she didn't raise the rest of her children she left all her previous life behind bar one daughter

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 26 October 17 16:05 BST (UK) »
How sad but we never really know how people lived their lives do we ?

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 26 October 17 16:12 BST (UK) »
Was there also a Walter Shave
St Augustine school,07/07/1890
born 27/07/1882
father Walter of 77 Canterbury Road

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Walter Shave aged 21
married
Alice Eva Cannon aged 19
25/12/1901
St Pauls Marylebone
both living 13 Portman bldgs.
Father shown as Walter deceased
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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 26 October 17 16:25 BST (UK) »
I believe her was the oldest son she had 2 more James bn 1885 and Albert Edward 1889 and Florence 1890 .I think I have Walter and James in 1901 with there uncle William Bailey ,I think Albert might be in a industrial school and have lost Florence ?

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 26 October 17 16:32 BST (UK) »
Can't find a registration for Walter who looks as if he was born before the marriage of Walter and Harriet, 27/07/1882

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 26 October 17 16:41 BST (UK) »
What do you think about this
1901
Florence Chapman alias Shave in Marylebone school in Hayes aged 9
Do you think it is your Florence

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 26 October 17 16:56 BST (UK) »
Just a thought, is it worth querying the birth cert you have which seems to be a problem

It really is a mystery

By the way, St Augustine's school had a church quite near where one of the Shave children were baptised

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