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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #162 on: Monday 30 December 19 23:39 GMT (UK) »
1891 has George Jones and family living 54 Messina Ave

52 as we know Martina and family

On ER's does Walter have anyone else living there

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #163 on: Monday 30 December 19 23:42 GMT (UK) »
1891 has George Jones and family living 54 Messina Ave

52 as we know Martina and family

On ER's does Walter have anyone else living there

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No he is on his own but at the side it states 52 messina avenue and 146 Iverson Road,does this mean he owns both the houses ?

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #164 on: Tuesday 31 December 19 00:52 GMT (UK) »
Don't know myself, will see if I can see Messina on 1881

There isn't a death for a Walter Jones 1927

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #165 on: Tuesday 31 December 19 09:57 GMT (UK) »
I thought it could be another relation of hers a brother or even a husband.
I am know really sure how often the electrol rolls were done and have been trying to see on 91 census who is living at Iverson Road.
We know Martina was there in 1890 so whoever this Walter Jones is he must of been there with her


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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #166 on: Tuesday 31 December 19 10:05 GMT (UK) »
The fact that he was entitled to vote there doesn’t mean he lived there. He may have been the owner/landlord, living elsewhere.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #167 on: Tuesday 31 December 19 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Yes AVM, he couldn't be living at 2 addresses, I am inclined to agree with you

Martina and Co are giving me sleepless nights, don't know about you Littlesis but something pops into my head and I am up for a couple of hours searching

Can you refresh me, where was Martina supposedly aged 8 on 1891, or Martina  born circa 1869 herself  on 1881

I have a similar thing in my family, quite a well to do man and his wife came over here from Germany, had no children with his wife but had,  suppose you would call her a mistress,  at least 6 children with him, tracked down all her children but she gives a MMN on every birth cert and I know for a fact she never married, she never married the father of her children after his poor wife died ad she was given the chance

So the mystery goes on

Have you looked at 54 Messina  Road Hampstead on Google, would be worth an absolute fortune now

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #168 on: Tuesday 31 December 19 10:22 GMT (UK) »
I thought it could be another relation of hers a brother or even a husband.
I am know really sure how often the electrol rolls were done and have been trying to see on 91 census who is living at Iverson Road.
We know Martina was there in 1890 so whoever this Walter Jones is he must of been there with her
How do we know that? Did we find an ER from then with her name on?

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #169 on: Tuesday 31 December 19 10:36 GMT (UK) »
Quick refresh
Baby Martina Elizabeth was born 1892  mother Martina 1st found on 1891 census .If age is correct born 1869 at Fitzroy Square.
There were several adverts for dressing making placed by Martina Burwaw starting from 1890 in local.paper at Messina Avenue if my memory is correct

The electrol roll says Walter Jones then dwelling house (successive) ...not sure what that means then 46 Iverson Road and  52 Messina Avenue .There is one other on the page that  says successive too rest are just one address .

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #170 on: Tuesday 31 December 19 10:46 GMT (UK) »
She is Martina Burwan in all of the ads. “Burwaw” I think occurs only in the 1891 census, and is such an unlikely name that it may be an enumerator error, even if the underlying name is also a pseudonym.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)